A look at the ES futures 4-Hr chart below shows that, regardless of the prior peak from which the measurement is taken, the recent up trending wave occurred in less time than those two waves.
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So, while valid retraces can occur at any time, and perhaps some quite significantly, Neely's work suggests this is a significant criterion on which to base the suggestion of a new wave to be counted upward. The upward wave has already reached the 50% level of the entire prior down wave.
Again, with the internal count of the recent wave on shorter time frames, we cannot find a valid reason to discontinue counting upward at present.
So far, this suggests the recent potential truncation was called properly on the correct day. It also ups the odds that the prior all-time-high might be exceeded higher, although this is not for certain.
One tip or trap to watch-out for: if people start calling for an ending diagonal wave without the first wave having gone over the prior all-time-high as a foundation, that call would likely be incorrect.
Supplemental: the Grind is on and something reeks again. Have a look at the chart below of the SPY 15-minute cash. We can easily see from the Fibonacci ruler on the left that the largest decline, here labeled ii/b, exceeds the 50% level. This should be sufficient to allow for an extended third wave, iii near the 1.618 extension.
Ok. Fine, I can easily go with that. But now observe a few items. First, in the upper left is an extension Fibonacci ruler. Right now, the extension is only near equality. Therefore, we should carry the labels a, a,b,c as well as the numbered labels. Also, note that the only truly big gaps in the third wave are downward gaps. Why is that? Who ordered those?! Where is the big impressive upward gap? Maybe it will happen on Sunday night. Price is still trading within the channel, and we don't know just yet. But the secondary labels are also being shown in case price runs into the upper daily Bollinger Band (in this area) and decides to reverse. In that case, perhaps a leading diagonal larger (a) wave up is being started as part of a larger diagonal wave 5, upward. Then, maybe an ugly 50 - 62% retrace takes place for a (b) wave of that diagonal, with a (c) wave that goes over the top.
It is very hard to say, but because iii is beyond equality, we should at least rule out the xi count in this case.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe
Thanks. I will be watching 4347 fib level on SPX. on any pullback to see if we stay above that area. That would be positive in my eyes. ATB
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SPXcfd - (dly) High to low -
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Does or does not Neely show you examples of major waves truncating in his text? If so, then my example relates to the chart in Thursday's post with the truncation in the minute ((v)) of C of ((4)). In which case, I think the speed is being measured correctly in relationship to minute ((iv)), the breaking of its trend line from minute ((ii)), and now exceeding minute ((iv)) in price.
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SPX - So, how would we address this new move up at the time?
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By time, it "looks" like a new upward count would begin from the subsequent higher low.
DeleteI honestly don't know. That is one of the many issues with the impulse count, up.
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A Neely video reference -
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The video clearly shows that a new move up should have begun from the higher low in 2019, not from the Dec '18 low (utilizing Glen's methodology). So, if we're to apply this currently, then obviously it must be applied on a consistent basis with all suspected tops/btms. So, seems the question is - are you confident enough in the approach to apply it in all cases? Seems a fair question to ask.
Deleteplease look at the cash chart; I did start the analysis at the first higher low; the truncated wave low as shown in the presentation.
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Did you have the Jan '19 higher low as the low of the move down from Oct '18 as well? Same measure applies there. Has this been applied consistently with all tops/btms? I believe that was Neely's intention.
Delete..my reading is that the use of the higher low/lower high applies only in the case of truncation when the initial up or down wave is not large enough to exceed the speed criteria when the truncation is not considered.
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Note: a supplemental chart and commentary was added before the opening of the overnight session.
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TJ if you are familiar with Neely's work (which I'm not) he sent out that the bear market very likely started if 4305 is hit. https://www.neowave.com/tradingblog/blog.asp?bid=157
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..that's one valid way to look at it unless you consider the 'length' in a Flat wave, as the "net distance traveled between 3 - 4"; which this analysis is not doing. Both are valid. It is very difficult to 'resolve' The Fourth Wave Conundrum - which happens at every degree of trend. People 'want answers' in TFWC - and the market makes it difficult.
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Gold - long term
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ES - morning look
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From a Wyckoff perspective, I believe the late Feb low could be BC, followed by AR (auto. rally), with ensuing ST (pb), and now SOS. A pb [could] set up an LPS
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Correction - BC s/b SC (selling climax).
DeleteCan we still be in a diagonal lower? Currently in wave 4 flat
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Deleteno TimH .. flat are not allowed 'by rule' to make up any of the 'numbered' waves of diagonals. It would 'have to' by rule, be a 'b' wave or a portion of a 'b' wave - within restricted limits.
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SPXcfd (hrly) and Yield Curve update -
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SPY 15-min: can still be a fourth wave, iv, in a channel, but then why the near wave equality? Can 'also' go deeper or be a triangle at this point.
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ES - update
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ES - a closer look. If the larger structure is as it appears, a horiz count across
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Your Wyckoff-oriented posts are appreciated. I'm brushing up on that. Thanks!
DeleteMy Wyckoff "status" is cursory at best, so keep that in mind! 🤔
DeleteI swear it's not me: one of the usual 'pest-posters' came on earlier to say that I count everything as a triangle or diagonal, but, of course, 'he' who won't post any chart on here ever always has 'the right' answer. Here is today's wave sequence - as best as I can tell.
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See what they are doing is making larger, longer waves which are non-divergent on the low, whether you used EWO or MACD, story is the same.
Then the current up wave is 'longer-in-price' but 'shorter-in-time' than the prior :3. Can it become longer in time, too, near the close? It can. Can it go over the high? It can. Can it become a triangle? It can. Can it become a downward diagonal? It can.
Some people have no 'clue' what it takes to count waves. Notice that I did, of course, count what I could, the 'fives' as impulsive waves. I 'always' try to count an impulse unless or until by-the-rules I can not.
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..and now the up wave is becoming longer in time, too.
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SPY 15-min: the intraday waves have been added to the SPY 15-min chart.
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..also, there is one item of overlap to note.
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