Yesterday's post outlined a "five-down" count. We said that if new lows didn't result, the expanding diagonal could have been "ending" and not leading. Today made marginal new highs. The expanding diagonal was ending.
All that likely means is the minuet (b) wave upward is likely extending in time (mostly) and somewhat in price. Here is the updated chart.
ES E-Mini S&P500 Futures - 4 Hr - Longer Minuet (b) |
So, the 'invisible' WonderWave from the ECB presser was a flat for the x wave label shown above, and the five-down diagonal was the 'c' wave of that flat. (Remember in the overnight, prices went down, then up, then down big.)
The result is there is a new "three-touch" trend line which is to be respected from a wave counting perspective until it is broken lower. If and when it breaks lower, it will likely signal the onset of the minuet (c) wave of minute ((b)) wave lower.
The reason we have a high degree of confidence in this count is that all of those that were counting a diagonal to Minor 5 of Intermediate (5) at the mid-July high, and there were several, now have extra waves to deal with. The count above does not share that problem. That is very, very encouraging.
Here was my short term wave count over the last two days of observing the ES E-Mini S&P500 futures.
ES E-Mini S&P Futures - 15 Minutes - Extension of (b) |
At the end of the futures session (5 PM ET), there was about a six-point give-back. One internal trend line was broken, and the market may have established that it has taken out the previous fourth wave in less time than it took to form. But further, if a downward wave travels below 3,018 it would likely become the largest downward wave on the chart, and potentially signal a degree change.
Ask yourself if anyone can provide commentary with such specificity and so few words?
Have a great start to your evening and to your weekend.
TraderJoe
It is interesting how multiple metrics will point to the same price point as being very significant. For other reasons, that 3000.00 juncture of the new trend-line I agree is quite significant in determining the immediate trend. I expected price to continue higher when we fail to decisively breach it so it has...
ReplyDeleteXLF made its ATH in Jan. 2018 at 29.47. The Dec. 2018 low was 21.83. The 90% retrace level is 28.706. Friday's post Dec. 2018 high was 28.71 (closing at 28.69). You really can't make this stuff up.
ReplyDeleteYou think it will take to that level (3047)? or higher?
ReplyDelete@Tim. I think you need to explain your anchor points, because I am not seeing any relationship that qualifies.
ReplyDelete@Tim, please explain or this comment will be deleted so it does not confuse readers.
ReplyDeleteJoe - I dont know what Tim is referring to, but an extension from the 2007 peak to 2009 low at the 2.618 level comes in around 3047. fwiw
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, using the same extension, w3 in 2015 came in at the 1.618 ext level.
Deleteya .. that's not an "extension". That is an 'exterior retrace'. You are measuring the wave up from 2009 through 2011 "as if" it is retracing the prior wave down from 2007 to 2009. But, the wave high has been exceeded, and begins to obtain values like 161% or 261%. Therefore, it must be considered an 'exterior retrace'. An extension is when you have a wave like 2009 - 2010, and you measure the next up wave starting at the 2012 low, to see how far this next wave 'extends' on the first wave. In this case, there is no retracement involved. Only extension. You guys can play with the terms all you like, but it risks misleading people on here, and making them think you are not sure of what you are doing.
DeleteP.S. ..the reason this is important, is that in an Elliott Wave impulse, it is 'critical' to determine which wave is the extended wave (such as x3).
DeleteHere is a current and relevant example of a 1.272 external retrace.
Deletehttps://invst.ly/bfp6h
TJ
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Delete@ta .. what kind of lame b.s. is that? Investing dot com (which is free) has both a "trend-based fib extension" tool, and a "retrace" tool. Also, NinjaTrader, which is free, has both.
DeleteHere is an example of measuring the C wave extension on the A wave (down) using the "trend-based fib extension" tool from Investing.com. It is a little more than 1.272.
https://invst.ly/bfpxb
This is absolutely not a matter of semantics, but 'gross' differences in measurements. The extension tool has it's first 'anchor point' at 0, it's second anchor point at A, and it's third anchor point at B. A retrace tool has only two anchor points.
It sounds like you are using very inadequate tools for the job. The professionals are not. Please continue slamming my style while I try to provide you with clear, unequivocal information - and for free, no less.
TJ
Wasnt slamming your "style". My fault for not being exact in my description. The tools I use are more than adequate. They enabled me to determine anchor points for the 3047 calculation. :o) The extension tool measures you describe are also known as alternate price projections, fwiw.
DeleteI was simply trying to shed some light on the anchor points you were inquiring about. Sorry it evolved into this.
@ta .. I'm not sorry about any of this. This is about learning. What is your reference for "alternate price projections", so that I can learn about it as distinct from "extensions".
Delete@Tim, please see comments beginning at 1:01 PM, below.
ReplyDeleteES 15-minutes: down fractals are being exceeded lower.
ReplyDeletehttps://invst.ly/bfyo-
TJ
At 3017.00, has been downward overlap on the micro ((A)) wave up; up wave can only be counted as the three wave sequence, so far. And price is below 3018. That means a degree has likely been turned.
DeleteWould need to take out up fractals to begin any up count.
Leading diagonal up or tripple zz on spx?
ReplyDeleteLooking at the same thing!
Deletehttps://invst.ly/bf-dv
TJ
ES 15-minute: There is now a new valid up fractal on top of the 11:45 candle, above the EMA-34.
ReplyDeletehttps://invst.ly/bf-qh
TJ
ES 15-min, and now there is a valid new down (red) fractal below the 12:15 pm candle.
DeleteAnd 11:45 am, Green (up) fractal just exceeded higher.
DeleteES 15-min, prior green up fractal exceeded, and new red (down) fractal.
Deletehttps://invst.ly/bg01m
TJ
Here's an update. There is an additional green (up) fractal and an additional red (down) fractal.
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TJ
TJ,
DeleteThanks for showing how you use fractals in your counts. That is really helpful.
The first green (up) fractal back, at 3,024 has been exceeded higher (marginally, so far). Could be a better 'c' location.
DeleteYw .. Tjchuck.
DeleteMaybe a larger triangle on ES with running B wave?
ReplyDeleteFrom 3027 local top
DeleteA new post has been started for the next day.
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