Yesterday's 4-Hr ES futures chart closed at 2,923.50. Today's chart settled at 2,852.50 very close to the 18-day SMA, with some -70 points of loss occurring today. If you read the comments on yesterday's post, they are uniformly bullish. Those expressing long-winded opinions said things like "defense of 2,900, leads to 3,000...". Or, "I'm still believe the financials have the clearest pattern, and suggest another 7% or so rally to go." Another said, "agree, the longer we hold up the better of going up to 3K." etc. etc.
First, here is the four-hour chart. One nuisance blogger said I shouldn't change chart styles. I should just admit I was wrong or right. So, here is the continued chart style so the poor soul doesn't get confused.
ES Futures - 4 Hr - Beginning of Wave ((c)) |
The point is not what individuals say, or that they can't have an opinion. The point is why were they uniformly bullish going into the day, and I was resolutely counting downward? What am I looking at that they are not? Five things. You will see below. Let me explain.
In order to win at this game you have to look at things others are not. Everyone looks at price. I'm here to tell you that if you just look at price, you might as well pick up your ball and take it home. You are going to lose. The one thing that everyone sees is price. The problem is that price alone doesn't tell you where price, itself, is going. By definition, it can't.
What you need to look at are some things that help predict where price is going. What you need are Leading Indicators of price. So, in addition to the chart above, I am going to post two others - in the spirit of learning - although the way some of the nuisance posters behave on this blog, I'm not sure I should. I mentioned the bullishness above. But, I already knew that - not from the blog posters, but from this chart.
Put-Call Ratio - Daily - Speculative |
One of the charts I look at daily is the put-call ratio on equities. This is yesterday's chart. Once again, options players were 'speculating' on higher prices big time as the one-day ratio dropped to 0.50, the lowest in a while. Many people do not make a habit of looking at this chart. Maybe they should.
But here is a more telling chart.
ES Futures - Daily - Volume and Day Count |
First, look at the futures volume in this rally. Yesterday was the lowest green volume of the rally days. But everyone is bullish?! Volume is a leading indicator of price. You can't go up if it is not well-supported by volume.
Secondly, look at the day count. Very, very few casual analysts look at the Fibonacci number of days, weeks and months. But, time is also a leading indicator of price. If the up wave continued today and tomorrow, then it could have gone to 55 days. It didn't. No, after a near Fibonacci perfect 21 down days, this rally was a near perfect Fibonacci 34 up days.
So, now that there is a down day, is the down move over? Probably not. Now that things have gotten started, there 'should be' a Fibonacci 5 - 13 day down draft depending on how much ground is covered each day. One wise commenter noted how a cycle analyst called for this week to be a 'down week' based on his proprietary cycles. Hey. How about making this so simple you can do it, too, and not get confused with cycles and left-hand translations, or shortened cycles or inverted cycles? Very confusing: at least to me.
Momentum was the next leading indicator. The daily slow stochastic which I don't show you every single time had turned down. But I noted when it lost its embedded status. Volume leads momentum, and momentum leads price.
So, what is it going to be? Are you going to be a loud-mouthed, opinionated commenter? Or are you going to dig in, and explore the leading indicators of price as well as price itself.
There are very few leading indicators of price. They are:
- Sentiment (e.g. put-call ratio), which determines...
- Volume, which influences...
- Momentum, which runs out...
- In Time, causing a turn...
- Which is a fractal in the wave count
Have a good start to the evening,
TraderJoe
Thanks joe. Well said
ReplyDeleteThanks Joe for your steady hand. The other indicator that works well for me too is when the count is reversing to read all the bull comments. Know that the tide will turn shortly. Appreciate and learn from your steady hand
ReplyDeletewelcome ..just bear in mind that the lone comments are a bit more anecdotal than what the 'big boys' are doing in the options pits.
DeleteWhen you cite a 5 to 13 day move depending on how much ground is covered each day, I'm assuming that if ground is covered quickly (impulse?) it would more likely be 5 days, and if less ground is covered each day it would more likely be 13 (Diagonal)? Is that the right way to interpret what you are saying?
ReplyDeleteyes. or the longer bars in price length, perhaps the shorter the time taken.
DeleteAdvanced/Decline ratio is another good one to look at.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day all these indicators can only tell you what will probably happen but never exactly when, as we saw last Fall and Winter where it grinded higher for months on low P/C and volume.
Another 'point-misser'. In such a case the daily slow stochastic is embedded over 80 much of that time. Momentum is up, then. Stop kvetching and learn to absorb it.
DeleteYou're so fiesty now I love it, lol. Keep up the good work
DeleteThank you, amazing.
ReplyDeleteGreat education blog. Appreciate it. Thanks
ReplyDeletewelcome.
DeleteThis brief article is recommended reading. After all, it was Prechter who said in the next major down turn, it is technology itself that will contribute to the losses in a bear market.
ReplyDeleteBroker's Busted Computers Cause Big Losses
TJ
Thank you thank you thank you Joe!
ReplyDeleteThe sixth bullet point is like you said before people getting testy! And we had that yesterday!
I believed your count and held on to my (premature) position and got rewarded today and hopefully next 5-13 days to come. But first lets be patient and wait two more down days before we can confirm the new trend!
Unknown was me, Luc
ReplyDeleteah .. thanks Luc. Please log in or select a user name because the unknown account is not replied to.
DeleteThanks Joe, I've been part time trading for quite a while and still learning from great posts like this! Thank you! In EW I was often taught price is king, pay less attention to other areas. One wild thought this week is the Bradley turn dates. Last year he/they predicted a turn when it happen in March. Guess the next turn time? May 11th! These dates were picked and posted last year...following the stars I guess. Hmm. Maybe crazy right on timing a year in advance!
ReplyDelete2020 Bradley possible turn dates approx. https://bradleysiderograph.com/2020-turn-dates-vix/
ReplyDeleteIf a top is in what gets me is why NQ failed to close the daily and weekly gap and reach the 90% retrace level for a flat. These exist only 1.2% and 1.3% respectively above Tuesday's high. From the overnight low 5% is needed and 1% has been achieved as I write. Failing to achieve those targets which were so close seems hard to fathom particularly after a 40% rally. Some outperformance over ES may yet achieve those targets IF ES completed a of v at its overnight low AND has a sizeable rally for b of v. However NQ outperformance is not notable at this moment in time as both markets have moved approx. 1% off their lows.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the ES hourly in a new unit of time I see another potential diagonal exists. The drop from 2947 to 2889.25 was 57.25 pts and was 3 waves down. This was followed by 3 waves up to Tuesday's high. The drop from there to the overnight low measures 114 pts, a near precise 2 to 1 correlation and this drop too is difficult to count as a "five" and is likely 3 waves only as well. It is also longer in time than the 57.25 pt drop. Therefore the overnight low MAY be viewed as wave 3 complete in a diagonal. Wave 4, theorectically now in play, must be longer than wave 2 which was 39.5 pts. Furthermore wave 4 must overlap wave 1. In other words it must reach 2890 which is a 64.75 pt move AND take longer in time than wave 2 which measures accross 24 hourly candles. Something else to keep an eye on.
ReplyDeleteNote this potential wave 4 in the above diagonal can retrace virtually all of wave 3 and still be valid. So the potential wave 4 target range measures from 2890 up to 2939.25 (basis ES).
DeleteHere is the reaction to FED Powell's 09:00 AM EDT speech at the Peterson Economics Institute. So far it's a three-wave move up, and a 62% retrace, and the cash market hasn't even opened yet.
ReplyDeletehttps://invst.ly/qsgc2
TJ
..now beyond 62% retrace.
Delete..now beyond 78.6% retrace. A 90% retrace would be 2,830.50 according to these quotes.
DeleteExcellent post
ReplyDeleteSentiment remains extremely bearish (AAII record low bull/bear ratio, and investors fleeing spy - see article at end.)
ReplyDeleteVolume is leading rally (NASDAQ adv/dec volume at all time highs, and leads the NASDAQ itself.
Momentum and trend remains up, and too early to tell if yesterday's drop fails to deliver the BTFD opportunity that has been THE trend since the March panic lows.
Time: I have 10:15, what you got?
Wave count: too early to tell if this is a B wave off the lows or a wave 5 destined to new highs (panic lows wave C of 4 - Christmas 2018 lows A wave of 4, Feb rally high B wave of 4.)
You may have a different opinion (count.)
https://www.mcoscillator.com/learning_center/weekly_chart/investors_fleeing_out_of_spy/
1. Your view of "Sentiment" is way too narrow. AAII is "Mom & Pop" only. Where are the professionals in your narrow sentiment view. AAII contrasts directly with $cpce.
Delete2. The Nasdaq is only one segment of 100 stocks - albeit important ones. Broaden your view.
3. As I said daily momentum is down. The slow stochastic is lower. Price is also showing negative bias trading below the 18-day SMA. See this link: https://www.tradingview.com/x/OgHtdGu6/
I cite objective easy to determine criteria. You just are here to make a mockery. I am considering banning your posts.
TJ
Mockery? I offered a view of XLF that suggested we MAY have a C wave pop to go, and how that MIGHT effect the broader index. AAII sentiment has a very long history of being useful at gauging sentiment (see link below.) I have my own version of put/call (much better than CPC) and that has yet to hit the overbought sell point. Perhaps I could understand your ego driven vitriolic rant if you were knocking it out of the park, but one day aside, you're not. I'm all in for "the victor takes the spoils," but my battle is with the market, and my trading account says I'm winning that. Perhaps you shouldn't be so touchy when others post alternate wave count?
Deletehttps://stockcharts.com/public/3421479/chartbook/660400621
OK. Kevin, you're out of here.
Deletemmmhmm.. AAII indicator losing another 50+ S&P points this morning. Still you won't apologize or say you will 'look' at something. It would be a wise thing not to discuss relative egos.
DeleteES 5-min: there is 2,829.75; there is no officially a 90% wave down. Could go lower if it's a "b" wave.
ReplyDeleteHi ET, Good post !!! All excellent points !
ReplyDeleteIf I may just add a bit -
Always look at other Index Futures and cash - Nas 100, DOW etc. SP's are heavily arbitraged Index, meaning that lot’s of volume you are seeing in ES doesn’t have anything to do with direction. So other ones like YM and RTY for example are purer plays and easier to work with.
In long term Stock Investing everyone can make money. But in short term Futures trading with zero sum game – 90% have to lose money, these Markets would not be able to function otherwise.
Hi Simon. I'm going easy here. Your post has little to do with wave counting. It is primarily your opinion, which, granted, may be based on your anecdotal experience. A few well-chosen indicators are there to counter my market biases, opinions, and life experience.
DeleteHey ET, what I wrote above has actually nothing to do Market direction, bias or indicators. Was simply adding to your post about what to look at in preparation for trading. Also wanted to mention that before all spices are added, one has to make sure that he is starting with a good ingredient, and ES is simply the most difficult Market to trade for any level trader.
DeleteI always thought that trading is judged by the profits we make, if that is still the case – my life and trading experiences are hardly anecdotal
Boy was I happy to be wrong about the ability to hold the 2900 level.
ReplyDeleteI think we all agree that we were in a bear market rally and I for one would not have considered a visit to 3K as "bullish" as the wave up was corrective. Bottom line is the cited level was NOT defended and my assumption was wrong.
The ES has traded below the prior 2,823 "swing line" low at the arrow. That means there are now lower highs and lower lows. The up trend has ended in some fashion. See link below. The swing line is the light blue line over-laid on price.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.tradingview.com/x/ueA4grdI/
TJ
ET, not sure about others but Tradinv View link does not work for me.
Deleteincorrect
ReplyDeleteswingline daily has no trend
its a higher high and a lower low
don't think so. It has a lower low, and a lower high. Ira looks at the first inside day, as the low. That's what gives it the lower low.
Delete..and please use the "Reply" link when responding to a comment. It keeps the threads together.
Deleteplease check with ira
Deletei think he will confirm that you are incorrect
no need to bother ira
Deletejust go look at his video from yesterday
and you will see that you are incorrect
..ok .. I see what you are looking at. I stand corrected. I was looking from what he calls "the legacy high" or the highest high. I am still getting familiar with this indicator. Thanks for the correction.
DeleteIf/when time permits, would it be possible to get a chart from the May 10th peak on to check against?
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Looks like battle lines being drawn around next round number at 2800.
ReplyDeleteIf that is a VIX bull flag, it may be already hinting at the outcome.
Bull divergence on /ES hourly and 2 hour RSI are bothering me, took some profit just in case the bears get stuffed again.
ReplyDeletePut/call ratio is very helpful
ReplyDeleteES future ..new LOD and an hourly 2.618 extension
ReplyDeleteToday, at this point would be the first time since early April the S&P 500 daily futures close under the 18ma which is below the 100ma. The slow stoch. is pointing down and the macd also is pointing down. Price appears headed for the lower bb. https://invst.ly/qsmhv
ReplyDeleteCash S&P has undercut its May 4 low.
ReplyDeletewe are going downtown boys
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