Saturday, May 9, 2020

An Exacting Measurment

This is the second post this weekend. If you have not seen the first one, it might be helpful to review that one first. This post is based on potentially making a minute ((b)) wave up, to the 90% level of the prior high. The measurements are intriguing. The ES hourly chart is below. 

ES Futures - Hourly - (c) = (a) ?

The premise of this chart is that if we are making a flat wave, it 'should' reach the 90% level of the prior high. One way to do that is to have a zigzag, upward, in the form of a (c) = (a) wave as shown between the parallel channel guidelines.

You will note that (c) = (a) at 2,942 as shown by the middle colored Fibonacci ruler, and yet the 90% level is at 2,946. Further, if the five waves of the last (c) wave are labeled properly, then v = iii at 2,951. This is shown by the second colored Fibonacci ruler. The reason this is important is that it certainly looks like wave iii of (c) is shorter than wave i of (c). The exact measurements there depend on where i of (c) ended. Is that wave ii of (c) a sharp wave or a flat wave? Where did wave i end, exactly?  So, is i shorter or longer than iii? Also, where exactly did wave iv end? Is it on the low as we have indicated, or did it end a couple of bars later? 

These last four questions are very difficult ones to answer. However, the importance of this post is the following. Even on the surface - the way things look - it should be possible to make a minute ((b)) wave up to the 90% level or even slightly beyond. And - depending on where exactly you see the various wave terminals - it should be possible to construct scenarios where clear levels of invalidation occur.

In the example above, wave v of (c) should not go too far beyond 2,951. Keep in mind in the analysis of risk and reward, if the reward is back down to the 2,760 level or more, the upside risk can be limited to 20 to 40 points, or even less. So, from the 2,946 level that is a risk of (say) 40 points for a potential reward of about -180 points. That is a risk to reward of 1-to-4.5 or 1-to-9 or better. But, yes, because of some of the uncertainties, there is real risk, in such a calculation. It should not be taken lightly.

Nothing in this post is to be considered any kind of trading or investment recommendation.  This post is merely an example of a series of calculations that can be made when using Elliott Wave theory. Each person must make their own decisions regarding what to trade and when to trade it. And remember, futures are particularly risky and can cause a loss of some or all of your capital. Consult your financial adviser if you have questions regarding this information.

Have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe


29 comments:

  1. Joe, do you have any counts to possibly suggest we go to new highs? Thanks Sam

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    1. ? The A wave means there is at least a C to follow.

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    2. the C wave can truncate i assume...

      regards
      joske

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    3. @joske .. that is one possibility.

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  2. IF ES cannot move higher next week to reach the 90% retrace level, or cannot move higher at all, consider an ugly triangle for the last iv best viewed on a 5 or 10 minute chart. Same triangle for ES and YM. YM retrace for ii has reached the 67% area, rather nice for a diagonal. Also note Saturn goes retrograde on Monday 5/11.

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    1. Thanks ET... this extra post makes a lot of sense, a flat wave should reach 90% level.

      however i kinda doubt we'll make it, in that case it isn't a flat though in my opinion.

      thanks
      joske

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    2. NQ is 'not' in a triangle. At least not yet.

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  3. Yep! There is now a near certainty of how price will respond to the appearance of what used to be fairly reliable reversal signals. I do not think this is co-incidental...

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  4. I thought your following chart already showed us where i of (c) ended?
    https://invst.ly/qpy2z

    Even if ii of (c) was the flat (and the above chart is incorrect), I believe i is still > iii.
    Im not sure why the comment that v should not go "too far" beyond 2951? Seems it shouldnt go any beyond. Perhaps Im missing something?

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    1. As I said in the post, take a look at the 'minimum' price where wave i of (c) could have finished if wave ii of (c) is a FLAT. That 'might' mean that wave iii is 'longer' than wave i. This would allow v to be longer, but not if iii is 'actually' shorter than wave i. This is the risk, that's all.

      TJ

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  5. Good evening. Chart below.

    There is already a very nice overlap. Look for v of (c) to possibly be a diagonal. A key would be if this current downward wave zigzags down, and then the down gap in futures is quickly filled.

    https://invst.ly/qr2m4

    TJ

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    1. ..there is 2,942, marked on the chart in the post as (c) = (a). First target reached. There is a gap in this wave - in the futures - so probably ((3)) of the 'potential' diagonal.

      TJ

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    2. Redraw trend lines as follows. Diagonal is 'potential' only until it forms properly.

      https://invst.ly/qr394

      TJ

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    3. In the ES hourly, the 90% retrace level has been hit. Second target attained. A diagonal is still not out of the question, measurement wise. But, I won't be following it for the rest of the evening.

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    4. ES (5 min) ..if a diagonal does not form properly, as an alternative look for a v of (c) in an impulse, where perhaps there is a triangle at the top. Good night all.

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  6. Reversal by ES off the new highs interesting. The cash session will likely match the highs so a clever bear trap may be being set. We could be in a larger triangle under that scenaario...

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  7. By my calculation ES managed to crawl over the 90% retrace level. YM on the other hand got to 79.73%. Looking downwards the DAX futures looks okay as 5 convential waves down. 1 = 5, 3 = 1 x 1.725 & the EWO just scraping in at +10% at the potential 4th wave location. Now the biggest upwave since the 2.7% decline started on the DAX. This by itself suggests a counter trend rally of some duration as the down wave was more than 8.5 hours timewise.

    Downward structure on the ES is different but still count as a completed expanding diagonal with the move off the lows, like the DAX, the biggest up movement since the decline started.

    So some reasonable evidence to suggest a wave ii (or b) is in progress. Therefore patience may be needed if looking for a bear position. Interestingly the market has been making its largest gains in the overnight session. Today we see the opposite.

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    1. It appears your exp diag in ES "could" be viewed as a larger one, now in 4th wave (just overlapped 1st) (assuming Im seeing your original exp diag correctly). Fwiw.

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  8. It appears that we just tagged (a) on the initial move down.

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  9. QQQ still laughing at all the shorts

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    1. PS gap fill for QQQ at 229.5 or thereabouts

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    2. All NDX gains focused in FAAMG cohort...SNB continues to pump in BILLIONS...

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  10. Masterful jpb whip-sawing bulls and bears alike - anyone shorting the gap down, as well as those trading long on the gap fill.

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  11. Retracement levels at the afternoon highs-to-date:
    YM - 60.6%
    ES - 84.1%
    DAX futures - 56.1%

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  12. The rally may have been so cash could reach the 90% level - which it has.

    https://invst.ly/qrixi

    TJ

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  13. An expanded flat would further muddy the waters no doubt...

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  14. Sideways consolidation points to another wave higher imho...

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  15. nice "sell the close" candle. Can futures keep up the enthusiasm? It's been a very long party on NQ

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  16. A new post is started for the next day.

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