Today in the comments section for the prior post, a reader asked that this projection chart be updated. Here is the updated version, per request.
ES Futures - Daily - Break of Trend |
If the FED decides to cut rates or some other significant policy action prolongs the Intermediate (B) wave, then the path above - while not required - is still viable. Again, it is possible we have, in fact, topped where the chart shows "Or Top" at the label shown as minute ((a)). If so, it could have topped in either the Intermediate (B) wave, or Intermediate (5) of the Primary ((5)) ending diagonal shown in yesterday's post.
This chart, again, just allows more time for more divergence against the NYSE Advance-Decline line. Some of the uncertainty is due to the following: none of us has really experienced live-and-in-person, an extended fifth wave in stocks (except perhaps in 2000). And none of us would have the experience dealing with an extended fifth primary wave in an extended fifth cycle wave. So, we don't know how much divergence with various indicators is needed.
So, we will keep an open mind. Thus far, the sell off has been somewhat orderly. Yes, there is a large gap in the futures chart from the overnight opening gap down. And, again, those tend to fill more quickly than the gaps in the cash market. But, depending on the magnitude of the move down that the market has in mind, we are going to be as flexible as can be. Today's advance-decline statistics on the NYSE were 271 to 1639, or about 1-to-6. While that is in the "impulsive" category, it doesn't quite make the 1-to-9, or 1-to-10 which often qualifies as a "kick-off".
As for today, the market closed with negative bias below the 18-day SMA, and the daily slow stochastic lost its embedded status. So, as far as I can tell, the swing line has turned down, and it is valid because the close is below the 18-day SMA. You can find that chart at this LINK.
Have a good start to your evening.
TraderJoe
Think we are into d on 4hr gold triangle.
ReplyDeleteshould have said c did not have coffee yet.
DeleteI believe this projection chart has a very high probability of being correct, imo I believe it's even more prominent on NYA, because if you would put the ((b)) at (ii), it would be very hard to count 5 waves up in a ((c)). Aslo why did this degree change come before Y=W? Is it because it's "only" a sub-wave of Y and it wants to keep degree intact?
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It "might" be a degree problem on DJIA with the current top, bec ((a)) of W is bigger than all of Y. Does this mean that DJIA "have to" or at least try to make a serious attempt to reach 30216? Or is this irrelevant bec ((a)) is the extended wave in this WXY so Y can be in whatever size it wants as long as it's bigger than ((c)) of W?
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seems like we are forming LD from low yesterday in futures
ReplyDeleteExpanding triangle more likely?
DeleteThe upward correction now has as much 'time' as the downward wave. Can take more time if it wants.
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TJ
CED idea https://imgur.com/PFWXLFl
ReplyDeleteET did (a) already happen on your chart above...why are we going up so much today?..thanks in advance
ReplyDeleteMarket is closing the gap on futures from 24th close.
DeleteSo I'm seeing a leading expanding diagonal, zig zag, then impulse upward for an ABC correction upward (to potentially close the futures gap). Thoughts?
ReplyDeleteSteven, Having difficulty seeing the expanding diagonal. Could you please post a chart? Many thanks.
ReplyDeleteSee my post below at 9:16 PM.
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ReplyDeletewhat's your preferred count? We topped here as "B" or we complete "B" at higher prices a couple months down the line?
..as I stated above, the advance-decline statistics, although impulsive, did not yet represent the typical 1:9 or 1:10 'kick-off'. I'll let the numbers do the speaking and try to keep my opinions out of it.
DeleteThe market just told me that I screwed up my down count by a little bit (the one last wave at the bottom). It didn't make a completed or near completed up pattern until the after hours. Perhaps FED volatility tomorrow will make a 'b' wave down, and 'c' wave up. Not certain. We are not at a 62% retrace yet.
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TJ
..wave ((5)) just got 'longer in time' than wave ((3)).
DeleteI am having difficulty seeing your wave 5 as 3 waves rather than 5. Could you show your abc?
DeleteI commented yesterday 1:16pm that it looked like your (B) of the flat on your chart looked like an impulse wave down. Your change above addresses that. Thanks for the indirect reply. :o) I'll take it any way I can get it, lol.
DeleteThanks again.
'b' is the longest retrace in the wave, and is in a clear three-waves, up.
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The rest of the pattern has little alternation, but this sometimes happens when the market is not in a true impulse.
TJ
Thanks!
DeleteI accept your count as satisfying an "a" wave. but could it also be a valid complex double combo consisting of a flat, zig zag, and diagonal for a complete correction? If yes, at what point would we be able to determine which is the higher probability? Thanks!!
Delete@Steven .. see chart below @ 4:19 pm..
DeleteThanks for the update!
ReplyDelete4hr gold triangle continues, either b of c or into d.
ReplyDeleteApple sure looks blow off topish.
ReplyDeletegetting tough to trade here. is abc complete atefr the diagonal of yesterday
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ReplyDeleteWhat is your source for Adv/Dec? I cant find the numbers you cited above for 27th.
Thanks!
So, there is not much more one can do today than pay attention to some short term fractals. We 'may' have started a down move, but a lower low would more clearly help make the move long enough to 'change the degree' of the wave.
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TJ
Hi Joe
ReplyDeleteI'm interested in understanding why you think the upward retracement might be over? Is it because the last push down exceeds the size of waves 2 and 4 of the upward expanding diagonal?
..it needed the new low first to become longer than ((4)). That did not occur before the new high.
DeleteCNBC - No change in fed funds rate.
ReplyDeleteThat last ES high, after the FED announcement, was a divergent hourly high on the MACD.
ReplyDeleteWe would be working on b of 2 on the 4hr ES contracting diagonal idea.
ReplyDeleteAfter this choppy waves, I think market could be here:
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ES futures .. after hours .. there's the lower low needed to change the degree from up to down .. both by length and by time. It might be part or all of a "b" wave flat. Chart to follow.
ReplyDeleteHere's the chart .. with the waves so far. The b wave can extend further lower. A following C wave might try to make 62.%. A big caution would be if the whole upward mess just counts as a triple ZZ which is over and done.
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TJ
.. the ((B)) wave was the divergent hourly high.
DeleteCNBC - TSLA, MSFT rise on earnings. FB declines.
ReplyDeleteES futures have a small gap down in the after-hours.
DeleteGap already closed.
DeleteThanks for the count.
My idea of a contracting ending diagonal on the 2hr ES has degree problems going back to the wave starting in the beginning of Oct.
ReplyDeleteWould it be possible that we are still in the prior wave with a running triangle?
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Here's an update with the waves we have as of this moment.
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TJ
Gold 2hr triangle looks textbook. Its hard to think of ES moving up with golds triangle count other than maybe some CB easing announcement.
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A lot may depend on this local formation of hourly candles in the ES. It is likely a "b" wave would not go below the prior low. If the low goes, a down count will probably take over.
ReplyDeleteSemis already took out the low, so other indices may follow.
DeleteIts very hard for me to look at apple and tesla from the "NO QE" announcement and still call this a market. NFLX has a nice weekly triangle so maybe the momo moves out of the above and into that.
ReplyDeleteFrom the high of 3337 on 1/22, is it possible to count an expanding diagonal on the 1hr S & P 500 cash? https://invst.ly/po-y1
ReplyDeleteSeems like the market can begin to be tied to the severity of the virus, as at the very least it affects China's ability to fulfill tariff deal obligations.
ReplyDeleteLooks like we have sideways consolidation. Coiling action likely points to a violent downside move...
ReplyDeleteWaiting for the WHO to announce an international public health emergency today?
DeleteBouncing off the WHO declaration of public emergency.
ReplyDeleteCounting waves is impossible in this highly manipulated market. Waste of time.
ReplyDeleteAt these cases, zoom out. ES at 2h chart, it is quite clear
Deleteupdate on es triangle idea.
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Joe why don't you ever show an invalidation level for a bull count? We shouldn't even be starting a down count yet you have shown invalidation levels for a premature down count.
ReplyDeleteHow much do you pay TJ to service your personal demands? Oh, its a free blog? Weird. And the user above saying counting waves is impossible and a waste of time? Why are you even here or expend the effort to type that?
DeleteI will never understand why anyone would use this space to complain. Its simple: Use it and be thankful for the ideas, or don't. And better yet use your own head to do your own thinking and then post intelligent ideas. And for the record, the ABC correction that TJ has been tracking continues to play out.
@marc.. the only bullish count I currently see is the ending contracting diagonal. I just presume a reader of this blog can measure such that Minor 5 < Minor 3.
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DeleteWe should cut Scotty a little slack. It is easy to understand how traders can get frustrated by whipsaw price action. That end-of-day ramp was so obviously a C wave fake-out I am surprised he did not see that. Today was a good day for those who figured that out!
Delete??? For the record
ReplyDeleteI'm a big supporter of Joe and always want to learn.
Looks to me like a ABC flat for wave 2 up...fwiw
ReplyDeletePossible triangle B originating from 27th low. Would now be in d.
ReplyDeleteGold 2 hr triangle should be ready to pop.
ReplyDeleteOn the cash index I see this https://imgur.com/a/P5ctQbv
ReplyDeleteIs it possible that price is in wave C of 5 down which began where you have the "a" posted of an expanding diagonal that began at the top on 1/22? The internal squiggles I leave to ET and others here so I could be wrong but I'm looking at the entire formation from the top.
DeleteNew low in cash
ReplyDeleteI had a prophetic dream a year ago, yet to be fulfilled, the Hang Seng down by over 10% in a day.
ReplyDeleteJust saying.
Ugly close ahead I think, if you're long.
At 3,214 the ES would be 78.6% of the way from the top to 3,180. There is no reason it has to stop there. But, there may be a reaction on that level.
ReplyDelete..nice reaction from 3,212 to 3,220 in literally 2 minutes.
DeleteInteresting candle on the monthly S&P 500 futures: https://invst.ly/pplgs
ReplyDeleteCould actually finish down for the month.
With the Coronavirus have a Rnaught of 4.0 this will not bode well for stocks,China,or Shanghai when it reopens.
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