Saturday, October 9, 2021

Real Third Waves Turn to the Left

If you have not read the prior post through to the end, you may not fully understand where this one is coming from. It's about the fact that in bull markets real third waves "turn to the left", not to the right. They usually show a pattern of increasing acceleration and momentum, not decreasing amounts of same. With that - and yesterday's example in Soybeans - we show this potential count in $TNX, the US 10-year Treasury yield, as we stated in yesterday's comment section.

$TNX - Weekly - Real Third Waves 'Turn to the Left'

First, I need to say at the outset that I do not know a contracting diagonal will form. Only, the chart shows one actual and one potential wave three "turning to the left". And, IF Treasury yields are to rise due to inflation or stagflation, this would be the likely path forward from the low. It is possible Intermediate wave (3) breaks the high, then prices could back off again in Intermediate (4) - in a wave shorter than Intermediate (2) - followed by a higher high for Intermediate (5), shorter than Intermediate (3).

As of the moment, the weekly Elliott Wave Oscillator (EWO) shows the high on a potential Intermediate (1) wave. It is likely - because of the potential diagonal shape - than the EWO would diverge on the Intermediate (3) wave, and then too into the fifth wave. Time will tell.

The alternate to the above count has to be that - if inflation suddenly and miraculously vanishes - then it is possible that wave Intermediate (1) is not exceeded higher, and only a large triangle is forming, with a lower low to be expected. Either way it is a relatively straight-forward exercise to propose outcomes for either path. At the moment, we'll go with where the fundamentals of price shocks, supply constraints, and low worker-availability are pointing.

Lastly - on this topic - we will note that in bear markets real third waves turn down and to the right. You might look to earlier instances on the $TNX chart to see cases where that has happened.

With regard to the stock market, we suggested looking for a whippy day due to the confusing employment report. And that's what happened. All day prices whipped back-and-forth in a range including 62% from Thursday's low, and settled on the 18-day SMA which was also pointed out at the time. Here is the daily chart.


With price having settled on/near the 18-day SMA, then prices need to trade below to be bearish, in which case follow-through to break the 100-SMA would also be needed. It is primarily the role of third waves to provide the power to do so. If these key price levels are not broken lower, then it is likely not a third wave being discussed.

On this chart we have also shown the key trend line down from the high. For the bulls to resume control then they would need to pop above this trend line, then back-test the line and see it hold. So next week should be key understanding the larger picture in equities.

Have an excellent start to the weekend.

TraderJoe

24 comments:

  1. Excellent work, and thank you for the education.

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  2. https://schrts.co/daTenVZB

    The bond guys like to watch Natgas to give them clues which way yields are going. There are times when they are correlated and other times they aren’t. With the fed manipulating the bond market, better to follow the price action. Price is king. ATB

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  3. TJ -
    Regarding the chart I posted late last night (end of yesterday), would/could it be considered a throwover?
    Thanks

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  4. TJ, in the 10Y chart, B/(1) was approx. -0.762/-88% & 20w while (2) was -0.637/-50% & 16w. It suggests no degree violation if we label A as ((1)) and B as ((2)), unless (2) extends in time and/or px. Would this be a correct understanding of degree labelling? If so, my mental block is A looks like a :3 than :5.

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    1. darn! you came so close. I threw a trap in there hoping someone would catch it, but they haven't yet. No, you are not correct that A could be (1) and B could be (2). Because then (4) which would come after (3) overlaps (1), and that is just a plain ole' Elliott wave violation. That is because the current (2) - which would be (4) is not yet long enough to make an 'expanding' diagonal; because as you noted (2) is less than B.

      But, you noted A is in 'three waves'. That is 'part of the trap'. BUT look how much 'time' it take to make the 'claimed' smaller degree wave i. In fact, wave i is 'months' longer. And that is a time degree violation.

      No, this is why Neely says there is almost always a 'truncation' at an important bottom. But, neophytes try to count every single highest high and lowest low. The real count is probably more like this.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/EPIn44qJ/

      Notice how all problems of 'three-wave-sequences', and possible degree violations just 'go-away', when the truncation is considered?! Keep trying, don't be discouraged. You'll get there.

      TJ

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    2. Also, the real count #5 was the lowest close, not in March. Maybe that was the tip off to truncation?

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    3. 10yr yld (wkly) - A bit of confluence.

      https://www.mediafire.com/view/xay5i0zl02qugwj/helper.PNG/file

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  5. Courtesy of EWI (free email) - Money In (comments added) -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/7g29068f3jgpmng/MoneyIn.PNG/file

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    1. yea.. I just guess nobody liked equities before :}

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    2. No surprise there. Price has simply tracked the balance sheet of central banks.

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  6. JNK/TLT (wkly) - current

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/uozlsqeadvuxhvt/jnktlt.PNG/file

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  7. ES (dly) Checklist checkup -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/09t6k2mcbi6yzh0/Checkup.PNG/file

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  8. DXY/SPY (mthly) - Worm turning?

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/rvg6ptf2fnik28w/DXYSPY.PNG/file

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    1. "All you have to do is follow the worms!" Pink Floyd

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    2. Great album! I bought it and DSOTM for my son. (to round out his education) :o)

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  9. The blog title has a nice ring to it. "Real Third Waves Turn to the Left" Sounds like a book title!

    What are your thoughts on using the current EW counts to formulate targets? I'm going to heavily caveat this, I realize this blog's primary function is learning and education via applying the EW principles to current and past patterns. However, there has to be some utility beyond that. To me, that utility is formulating asset allocation plans and executing on those plans while acknowledging that it's all about swinging probabilities in your favor.

    Back to my question, the current count has us starting Primary C that we expect to exceed March 2020 lows. Furthermore, we expect the structure to be impulsive.

    If I make an guess or an assumption that 1800 is the final target and apply standard impulsive guidelines (i.e. Wave 2 61.8% retrace, Wave 3 = 1.618 x Wave 1, Wave 4 23.6% retrace of 4, wave 5 = 100% of wave 1). Doing some backwards math tells me that Wave 1 for SPX needs to end around 3,500. We don't know whether it'll be a diagonal or impulse, but we have a target.

    As a disciplined practitioner, do you think that the EW principles should be used in such fashion or is this just a big pile of assumptions and not the intention of EW?

    Thanks.

    Go Cowboys!

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    1. ..start with projecting the simple Fibo's, 100%, 162% and see how things go for starters. No magic wand. Based on your knowledge of EW, I would not put the cart before the horse.

      As far as asset allocation plans, while that falls in the category of trading or investment advice, I really do not wish to provide any as it is blind as to size, and speed or ease of being able to switch. In short, I am not running your fund or portfolio for you.

      TJ

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  10. GM (dly) Looks vulnerable -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/inrjk3d9l0ifcec/GM.PNG/file

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  11. ES futures 30 min: lower low - qualifies for the contracting diagonal lower. So, 'might' whip around for a second wave.

    TJ

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  12. DXY (dly) Buck up?

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/xvxc3s436rp4mcb/Buck.PNG/file

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  13. SPXcfd - "near equivalent" of 30min cash -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/usjqgw3nfcjry1o/EOD.PNG/file

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  14. There is a new post started for the next day.
    TJ

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