Tuesday, July 20, 2021

Top or Diagonal ??

Based on the internal wave counts today, it is possible that we will make a local five wave sequence higher. I will post that chart in a minute. But, if we are to make a diagonal wave out of the top, then wave (iii) must both go over the top and stay shorter than wave (i). A chart of that possibility is shown on the ES 4-hr chart, below.


A higher high, tonight or tomorrow is likely needed for the 'a' wave. This is how we counted it internally today. You are encouraged to read today's comments to understand what all went on today and to understand how the count was developed.


So, if wave iv largely just travels sideways to slightly lower in the overnight, followed by a higher high, it would lend to a count that is 'five waves up'. That 'could be an 'a' wave up. So, we have now placed it, the potential diagonal, on the table. 

Is there a way the market could fake us out and just drop lower? Why yes there is! On the first chart above, look at the portion of the expanding diagonal down wave, labeled a,b and awful stuff. Here is another way to count with five-up if that occurs tomorrow.


This count would consider than the little tiny (a) wave is not a full on b wave as in the four-hour count. This count says, "hey, that wave was just plain too small to correct anything!" Further, this count is one of the very few that is made possible because minuet (b) at the bottom is just smaller in price and a lot smaller in time than the diagonal downward as the larger degree minute ((i)). The Fibonacci ruler shows how and why that base was hammered out where it was. Thus, there is no degree violation in price or time. Wave minute (b) is smaller than it's larger degree counterpart minute ((i)), pure & simple.

So this is what they mean, "It's not over 'till it's over." Neither wave count is proven or disproved at this point, and we will just have to wait and see. But I don't think you'll find rational analysis of the pros & cons at too many sites.

Have a good start to the evening.

TraderJoe


26 comments:

  1. Of course the mantra is don't fight the fed. But something to note (but a hill not to die on) is that S&P cash filled its gap but VIX did not, and did not even touch yesterday's low. VVIX also filled gap. TJ you have done great with cautioning on the low prices of yesterday. Let's see what the rest of the week brings. Awful stuff indeed.

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  2. Looking at the monthly chart of TNX we still haven't taken out the February low. February is the longest bar during the past move up. Maybe TNX has completed first wave up.

    ET
    Thank you for your excellent explanation!

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  3. The big TL suggests a possible 2 up underway, BUT, I was once told b waves more than 200% of a reduce count probability. Not a rule, just a guideline.

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  4. hey ET - Great explanations indeed. I'd also like to reiterate something I mentioned soon after I first discovered your blog almost two years ago now. Your commitment to degree rules and the overall discipline in your counting process is truly unique. Even though you're not always 100% correct =), the principled approach truly inspires confidence in your craft compared to a lot of wave slapping I see elsewhere.

    Additionally the major purpose of counting waves boils down to improving odds of market positioning and the instruments (options vs stocks) used to take those positions. So I also appreciate the alternative counts.

    I do want to leave you with question. If you were a betting man, can you glean from charts of major indices which of your two counts above is most likely?

    Thx

    -TJ

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    1. First, thanks. And you're right. I know no one who gets every wave. As far as betting, I reduce the odds of being wrong by paying attention to that up channel. Period.

      TJ

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  5. TNX - wkly - Some thoughts on "up" -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/nuxrm1k0rnpez2m/TNX.PNG/file

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  6. NDX (wkly) - Throw-over?

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/suj2lnz2gfjd2ag/NDX.PNG/file

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  7. SPX (qrtly) - observations

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/quj0nfv79ijdvwt/SPXQtrly.PNG/file

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  8. Hm.. well as far as odds of making a new high, I would just throw this out as a reminder. I personally think this is beyond reasonable hope of repair, esp at the weekly level.

    https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/gallery.html?$NAAD

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    1. In a rational financial universe,you would be right in your conclusion. The market has continued to notch new highs on narrowing breadth and declining volume for longer than seems rational. My own view is that ultimately the distortions will lead not to a correction but a crash. I therefore suspect we have more upside as long as precipitous declines are successfully halted and I favor a diagonal or 4th wave underway.

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  9. thanks joe for your analysis, i'm starting to understand elliott's wave theory well

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  10. 2hr - currently

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/9jzvsn7r68fu3tz/2hr.PNG/file

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    1. I was curious after your inverse H&S rate chart and took a gander at TLT. Potential RS there a bit higher than ideal but we may have a similar pattern unfolding.

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    2. Can see it better on monthly.

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    3. Here's the (old school) line chart version -

      https://www.mediafire.com/view/v1320fc4ohtr8h0/TLT.PNG/file

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    4. Look back in 2011. You can see a similar pattern on price and RM. (fwiw). :o)

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  11. Good morning all. Nothing definitive yet, but note that in an xiii wave, then wave iv did take more time than wave iii. The count remains 'basically in a channel'.

    https://invst.ly/vhwan

    I don't know if a diagonal will form here. If it does it might end wave (ii), up. Wave v can easily approach 4,350 or 4,360, depending on whether it forms as an impulse or a diagonal.

    TJ

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  12. ES 5-min: the market is pushing another wedge - which 'can' be counted as a non-overlapping five waves. I'd watch the lower trend line.

    https://invst.ly/vhz5-

    TJ

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  13. GDX (mthly) - crunch time [if interested] -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/mvg8ly3x6ep65tt/GDXm.PNG/file

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  14. ES 5-min: update, "the wedge of the wedge will keep wedging until the wedge won't wedge".

    https://invst.ly/vh-3j

    Under the first wedge, then over the first wedge, now back down to the second wedge. Is that an expanding diagonal wedge in the wave?

    TJ

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  15. Someone observed that wedges, diagonals, and triangles all indicative of an impending trend change that is being strongly "resisted", which is why they are generally ultimate or penultimate patterns. Judging from the number of these seen recently, some resistance, lol!

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  16. Flagging action into the close suggesting another 100 points to the upside for DJIA. Looks like 35K a magnet.

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  17. SPY (5/1) -

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/m18zyestyvnlfg3/5min1min.PNG/file

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