I have written often about Elliott Waves in a potential fourth wave position referring to this phenomenon as The Fourth Wave Conundrum (TFWC). This weekend the SPY hourly wave structure and our lack of knowledge about the outcome make this an ideal time to clearly illustrate further The Fourth Wave Conundrum with a series of charts. To do so, recall that the primary wave structures for sideways fourth waves are Flat, Triangles, and Combinations. Let's look at the first chart.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Running Triangle Variation |
As you know, the most prominent feature of Friday's session was the gap down on the Payroll Employment Report. The key question becomes, "will this gap fill, or is it the start of something larger to the downside"? One way the gap could fill is with the triangle variation of a larger fourth wave. In this case, in the cash market, because the ((B)) wave is above wave iii, it would be a 'running triangle'. There is some support for this count because of the decided lack of follow-through on Friday. However, this variant would invalidate if prices travel below wave ((A)) of the triangle. If it holds, then the other waves must form properly.
The next way the gap could fill is with the larger Flat (or combination flat) variant, as illustrated below.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Flat/Combination Flat Variation |
In this case the wave sequence is labeled as ((W))-((X))-((Y)) and the purpose of the pattern is to get the wave structure down to the 38.2% Fibonacci level, or greater, for a deeper fourth wave, and one that is longer in time, too. In trying not to rush the wave count both the triangle and the Flat are excellent candidates. They may be trying to create a fourth wave that better approximates the number of bars in the third wave.
The last way the gap could fill, and still not be a further correction is by the formation of a diagonal count. From wave iii there are three-waves-down. This is the deadly structure that can start all of this potential confusion. Here is how the diagonal could form from here.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Diagonal Variation |
Similar to the triangle, 'a cousin pattern', this variant would invalidate at the same place. Then, there are more waves to have to form properly with the third wave shorter in price than the first, and the fifth shorter in price than the third.
The next variation in The Fourth Wave Conundrum is actually that the market topped as shown.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Market Topped Variation |
In this case, the gap actually starts the next wave lower, and a second wave may still be under development if a new high is not made. Keep in mind that since the ES futures did not make a new higher high, it might also be considered a 'truncation top'. We will next add the first variation of the prior (magenta) parallel trend channel to this count.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Initial Elliott Parallel Trend Channel |
The support for this count comes from the attack of the vth wave on the mid-channel line and failure there. Then, there is a back test of lower channel line which fails. In this count wave iv did not hit the 38.2% retrace unless the wave ii low is moved up to the location of ((2)) as we noted was possible particularly in the futures counts we provided in prior posts. Certainly possible.
We will also add, but not illustrate that the market could form additionally complex structures for a fourth wave. These are primarily structures like: flat-x-zigzag, flat-x-triangle and triple combination. And this almost finishes our illustration of The Fourth Wave Conundrum. There are two things to add. First, is that it is possible to drop the initial (magenta) parallel and still have it be valid as in the following chart.
SPY Cash - Hourly - Modified Elliott Parallel Trend Channel |
In dropping the parallel for a larger fourth wave flat or triangle, it is best drawn to the high of the "b" wave and the lower parallel then provides target point for the fourth wave. This might also coincide with a 38% or 50% Fibonacci retracement level. Doing this allows that wave iii to pop over the top of the channel as we have illustrated often happens when the third wave is the extended wave as per The Eight-Fold-Path Method for Counting an Impulse. In our general experience, once the parallel is lowered beyond the 'b' wave high, the odds of the impulse surviving begin to drop precipitously. This is because too many of the wave peaks/troughs get cut off to satisfy the requirements of the parallel.
- Is the fifth wave, v, yet the length of the first wave? If not, there might be more upside.
- Are trend lines from the low repeatedly being broken without lower lows? If so, think triangle.
- Do you have 120 - 160 bars on the chart, and what is the position of the Elliott Wave Oscillator?
- Are marginal new highs being made each day? Then consider a possible diagonal.
- What is the direction of gaps and are they being filled or not?
👍 excellent. Thanks
ReplyDeleteVery good simmary of present situation. Gap down bearish, low volume, dailiy pennant bullish. Time to let Mr. Market show his hand.
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I agree!
DeleteGC (dly) Gold looks like it may be in a similar situation from the mid-May low on as well.
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In light of the rather nice comments above, I thought I would add - as a bonus - one of the "lowest risk" set-ups I can find. This is the Eur/USD futures, (6E1!, on TradingView).
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The reason for the low-risk is that wave ((iv)) has gotten to the 50% level, and couldn't travel much higher without overlapping wave ((i)), down. The primary issue is that the trader might need to persist through a 'bumpy' triangle wave down, if this is the penultimate wave towards EUR/USD parity or beyond.
But, the risk-to-reward is significant, and might be investigated by interested traders.
TJ
Some observations on EURUSD (0.001x2) - supplemental
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TLT (dly) Subtle signs?
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With the fed in play we should still see a lower low.
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Good observation. Could be.
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SPY (dly) Nuances -
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Thank you for all the charts, Joe!
ReplyDeleteSince one of the criteria is: "3. Do you have 120 - 160 bars on the chart, and what is the position of the Elliott Wave Oscillator?"
Wouldn't we want to use the 30 minute chart (130 bars) rather than the 60 minute chart?
Indeed one could/should. 'Good call'! TJ
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I have upside fib targets in the 4300 area....
DeleteWe have a fib turn date this Friday. 21 days from bottom. I consider these temporary tops or bottoms and when they match with the technicals it gives you more confidence to take a position. Add in the EW count makes even better. Some of these tops or bottoms turn out to be major turning points.
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New DTBO turned out to be a bull trap.
DeletePossible "e" of triangle (?)
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DeleteVICI - I’ve been trading the swings for long time. I’m a seller today. They get added to S&P indexes Wednesday. Great REIT though.
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SPY - Break on through to the other side?
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to me it's looking like a larger ABC playing is out. B could be sideways for a while to frustrate both sides. https://tvc-invdn-com.investing.com/data/tvc_bb858810d9669334eb995c6d0b6f0cf2.png
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing until there is something. So far, triangle & Flat & top remain on the table with highest probabilities. Neither ES nor SPY pushed to a new high for possible diagonal fifth yet, but it is not off the table, with lower probability. It's The Fourth Wave Conundrum.
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ES (5x3) .786 retraces (so far) -
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just fyi - Boris Johnson No Confidence vote result due to be announced at 16:00 ET (4 PM ET) today. TJ.
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just fyi - red count results from considering top as a truncation. Bulls need to try and hold the new blue up channel and moving avgs, then make a higher high for a fifth wave.
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Bears would fail the blue channel, back-test it and make a lower low.
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ES has downward overlap, and first poke below the blue channel. TJ
Delete..all the bulls could do now is make a lower probability expanding diagonal upward, but not if ES price gets below 4,115.00 TJ
DeleteES 4,115.00 exceeded lower. C wave, 3rd wave, or b wave in progress.
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..low held by a tick; can be a 'b' wave; bulls can try for a flat to extend the correction in time. Or, it can be the C wave of an (e) wave of the triangle. It's up to the Smart Money now. TJ.
DeleteES new intraday low. TJ
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ReplyDeleteWith the Vix still over the 50 day low maybe more time is needed for a break higher. 11 days below 50 day low didn't work early April. April and July are normally bullish months, maybe July will provide a nice rally.
SPY/ES suggestions are: 1) extend the down parallel in time; keep an eye on the upper parallel trend line, 2) recognize a possible triangle in this down wave (shown in blue), 3) move red a-b-c to this location. If prices give way, consider the flat instead of the triangle or a down count.
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Boris Johnson vote results: 211 /359; 148 votes against like Theresa May. Wounded but not out.
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IWM - short term +s
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