Saturday, January 16, 2021

Rationale for 'Daily' Count

Below is a two-day chart of the ES E-Mini S&P futures. Why would anyone say that they are providing rationale for the 'daily' chart and yet show a two-day time-frame? If you have not read the featured post in this blog (entitled, "The Eight Fold Path Method for Counting an Impulse" at this LINK), then you should do so now. The first step in that method is to "Chose the time frame that allows 120 - 160 bars on the chart.") You select the number of candles first; the time-frame is what results. That is done below. Using a one-day chart would provide 244 candles, and that is way too many.

 

ES Futures - 2 Day - Intermediate (W), (X)

I have used MotiveWave for this count to verify the accuracy of the placement of the wave labels and lengths of the waves, and to provide the accurate degree symbols. Other programs make this very difficult. This provides additional confidence in its correctness. Now for the rationale, recognizing that last weekend I provided rationale for the larger Primary ((B)) wave, upwards.

  1. With between 120 - 160 candles on the chart, the Elliott Wave Oscillator is plotted next. What can be seen is that there is no higher high third-wave peak on the EWO. This likely means that the up wave - to this point in time, and on this time-scale - is not impulsing.
  2. Next, when the daily chart is considered, the minute ((iii)) waves (or circle-iii waves) are in the only locations where a 0 - ((ii)) trend line does not cut off a portion of a third wave. If you are unsure of this count, are a new reader, or just have Elliott Wave qualms, in general, you really should take a daily chart, and try drawing what you see are 0 - ((ii)) trend lines, and see whether they cut off any portion of what you think are your third waves. This is the only way I can find to do it.
  3. The highest wave on a divergence is the Minor C wave of Intermediate (W). Assume for a moment that Intermediate (W) is "all one wave". As such, it has not yet been retraced 50 - 62% for what would otherwise be a normal second wave retracement. So, we think one will happen, but the FED's early recognition of the need for lower rates, and stimulus efforts from Congress have stalled that decline.
  4. Next we placed a Fibonacci ruler at the only location we can find for the current up wave. It is exactly a 1.618 external retrace on the Minor A wave down into the end of October, 2020. The market does seem to be reacting here.
  5. Finally, we have degrees to consider. And at this location - as an 'up' wave - minor B is shorter in price and time than it's larger degree up wave, Intermediate (W). Yet, it is "on the order" of the Minor A wave up of (W), and the Minor C wave up of (W), likely confirming that the degrees are similar.

So, that is the major rationale for this count. As a next exercise, we draw a tentative up trend line (dotted blue) through the extremes of the chart. First, we see it is very nearly at a 45 degree angle, and next we see it has really only two touch-points at this location. This trend line becomes important. Initially, price may come down to touch it, and then bounce off of it. However, if price goes down through it, and then back-tests and fails, then it would suggest the expanded flat for wave (X) is underway. That would be accompanied by a significant break of the round-number 3,600.

In last weekend's post (LINK here), in addition to providing the rationale for the Primary ((B)) count, and the daily count, I highlighted that I don't think this Intermediate (X) wave would likely be a triangle because the middle wave of the Intermediate (B) wave of the Primary ((A)) wave down was a triangle, and this would seem like bad alternation. Again, I could be wrong, but this is what alternation suggests.

In Elliott Wave work, a good analysis also indicates where a wave count is incorrect. In this case it is relatively simple. Any higher high above Minor B would likely suggest this scenario doesn't work. Why? Because 1.618 is about the maximum measurement allowed for the "B" wave of any expanded flat. Beyond that, and the wave is likely to fail. This is one of the key benefits of Elliott Wave work. Knowing where one is not correct helps one to be flexible, patient, and calm.
 
Notice I said in Item 1, above, that The Eight Fold Path Method is also indicating where this wave is NOT impulsing - at least at the moment.  That is also one of the benefits of the method, and it's why I rely on it for counting waves.
 
In terms of alternates, the best suggestion would be to replace the Minor A wave at the end if October with the Intermediate (X) wave. The problem with that count is that at this point in time there is no good Fibonacci relationship with this new (Y) wave and the (W) wave. I've tried. I've looked for numerous other counts. This is the simplest I can find. 

If you think you have another count, great! Then show it in the comments via a link and show how you have counted those third waves as not breaking any part of a line through wave 0 - ((ii)). This is the second post this weekend, and if you have not read the first one, you may wish to view it now.

Otherwise and else-wise, have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe

44 comments:

  1. Agreed! A nice body of evidence supporting!
    Just looked at weekly stocks above their 50ma, and ties in with your assumed ((y))B as a possible turning point.

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3a6NA.png

    Thanks again!!

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    1. I know we both follow this ratio. Better to be a buyer below 30 and a seller above 80. Of course price is king. ATB.

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    2. Continued good work! Sincere thanks for your efforts to provide different types of rationale.

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  2. Excellent work. Much appreciated. I know Avi has had a hard time counting this as impulse from March lows. This just reinforces that indecision.

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  3. TJ
    I want to reiterate the sentiment above and want to thank you in a great big way. Like I have always stated my opinion that I have yet to see an Ew analyst so concise, perfect, rational, and as knowledgeable like you.

    Thank you and have a great weekend.

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    1. Thanks for saying, Fibo .. you have a good weekend too.

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  4. If my math is any good, I would show the following % declines (assuming top is in) -

    Retraces - (of entire move up from March)
    .382 - 17%, .500 - 22%, .618 - 26%, and .786 - 34% (for reference)

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    1. A .500 - .618 retrace of (W) alone would be just above/below the .618 of the entire move up.

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  5. ET, what would u say about running flat pattern on this lower level similar to the larger pattern from 2010 into 2011, given this large 1.61 extension?

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    1. The S&P500 can make a 1.618 wave, and still follow with a lower low for an Expanded Flat, as this link to the 2018 - 2020 weekly chart shows. But, it 'is' pushing it and serves as a 'practical limit'.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/4EShh26f/

      By the way, this wave example disproves one of Neely's tenets regarding sizes of B waves in flats.

      So, as to your question, if this Minor B wave location holds, then the Expanded Flat can happen and they are 'more common' than running flats. Further, I showed a "running flat' for the B wave of (W), above. As a result, I'm not looking for another in this wave series. If it does occur it would be a 'mild' surprise, depending on any new FED or fiscal stimulus at the time.

      TJ

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  6. Heiken Ashi candles can provide some insights not easily seen on regular candle/bar charts. Here's a look at SPX (cash) weekly/daily with some observations. Perhaps you will find them to be of interest.

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3a73m.png

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  7. Thank you, ET- really appreciate your work

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  8. Expect a few weeks lower around 3400/MA200 for 20 week cycle low and b/Y.
    Expanded flat mega X wave - you will be disappointed.

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    1. Like I said, if you have another count show it as a link. Put up or...

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    2. Can you read????
      Time price and count is above, but I will post a chart for you.

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  9. Upper BB. of VIX is 33 area. I think we hit that and close the gap.

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  10. Joe, thanks for the daily update. With AD line at new highs and Dow Theory confirming a bullish bias, any sell off should be relatively minor and eventually new highs. Would your count suggest that. Thanks Sam

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    1. Well, it ultimately suggests that the 23 Mar low will likely not be exceeded lower. That can still result in up waves that create an a-d divergence at those newer highs. Good question.

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  11. If interested, some observations on weekly GDX -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3a8eU.png

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    1. Gold cracked 200 ma again Friday. Interesting times for the metals and dollar. Thanks for all you do GW

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  12. A follow up post on Heiken Ashi candles for consideration. Perhaps you may find them to be of some value. The following shows just one possible application to consider. If interested, spend the time to research, both reading/charting. :o)

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3a8pP.png

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  13. TJ - I believe the common relationship of A & C is 1:1.618 in Expanding Flats. Is that correct?

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  14. TJ - thanks again for taking time to detail the count above! Much appreciated!

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  15. Good stuff! I have long been a bit wary of an upward impulse count,despite the fact that they have been published by EW analysts with far greater skill than I. My own caution was simply based (some may say too simplistic!) on the fact that not a single upward supposed third wave at ANY degree breached the upper boundary of an drawn acceleration channel.

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  16. great analysis joe. and great work! I've been on this count. Is this way off base?
    https://www.tradingview.com/x/RzumTIIQ/

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    1. hi pd .. thanks! ..but unfortunately yes. In an expanding diagonal, wave three 'must' - by rule - be longer than wave one. Where you have it marked, it is not.

      TJ

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  17. Recent turn for DXY (daily/4hr) - last chart reference for HA candles (if interested).

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3a8Sd.png

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  18. Thanks Greywaver - appreciate your insights very much!

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  19. Good morning all. The ES 30-min intraday wave-counting screen has been updated with the daily pivot points.

    https://invst.ly/ti1oi

    According to broker quotes, there was a new low overnight. I really get discouraged with this site when it's charts don't show such things. Regardless, volume this morning is exceptionally low, so far.

    TJ

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  20. Observations on weekly GOLD -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3aa4h.png

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    1. I thought the strongest divergence was short 2 or 3 day (or week)? Connie Brown breaks down the math in her book for the target price. Short Closing price divergences are few and far between. You are showing something a bit different than what I've read In John Hayden's RSI book and Connie's "Technical Analysis for trading professional"
      Thank you for showing your work

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/k0pi2M4l/

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    2. Great to hear you've read their books! Hayden learned most of his from A. Cardwell. Andrew posits that divergences of 2-5 bars are strongest. Connie suggests selecting points that aren't always obvious. This one on Gold is my interpretation of her suggestion. It is really based upon Hayden's example of regular hidden divergence (p. 70) in his book. I try to adapt his example in different ways. Thanks for the comment. :o)

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  21. This morning's (early) set up following through today and this evening - hrly cfd

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3aahb.png

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  22. Posting chart for those who can not understand written text and several weeks lower, price target MA200 with EW label b/Y is too complicated - https://invst.ly/ti9f0

    Explained it with cycles now with EW:
    - the X wave is either small connecting wave for w-x-y or large one for example flat+X+triangle. Nothing in the middle 50%-62% retracement.
    - w-x-y channels well because we have small x waves - not with expanded flat.
    - the expanded flat is born dead - the B wave is bigger than 138% and for NYSE it is almost three times bigger. More than clear this is not B of expanded flat.
    - futures the move lower is already corrective - zig-zag and retracement.... stop dreaming of nonsense like leading expanding diagonal there is no such thing.

    I hope this is clear

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    1. Krasi, read tomorrow's post. I am not dreaming. Just doing my best at counting. Thanks for posting your chart, it provides for discussion. From what I've learned W-X-Y usually occurs either a) entirely in a channel, or b) entirely in a wedge. Your chart is a 'quasi' channel. So, it leads to suspicion. I maintain it is very difficult to count this structure in the ES without resort to a 'whole lot of failures' without the use of the expanding leading diagonal.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/yaW7YTNh/

      I remembered this structure very well, because I counted it in real time. This clear example renders your statement ('there is no such thing') false unless you can explain differently.

      TJ

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  23. Looking like rejection at the round numbers...

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  24. If this up wave is finished. I’m looking at 3724 cash as likely target.

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  25. Good afternoon. I don't know if this will finish properly, but if it does, it might be able to be counted as 'five-waves-up'. It might be the 'a' wave of iv of a diagonal, or it might start something higher.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/x8BRAA9h/

    TJ

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    1. SPX 5-min: no new higher high, yet. Cagey market requests 'more time'. This suggests the closing downward move is likely more of wave ((4)).

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/TR19S4dO/

      TJ

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