Wednesday, April 29, 2020

Rarely

Rarely do you see two Elliott Wave counts that look this equivalent. It is at times like this we must let the wave count sort itself out by making waves long enough to invalidate one or the other.

SP500 Cash v Futures (1 hr vs 4 hr)

While many, many analysts jumped the gun on a likely "crash wave", we are still searching for a good enough retracement wave to end one up-wave series.

In the first instance of the S&P500 cash count of five-waves, we could not find fault with you if you called this "five-waves-up". The only difficult portion of the wave is the third wave. It almost looks in that count like minute ((iii)) is a diagonal - which it should not be, but there might be microscopic ways to resolve it.

Not to make life too complicated, but is it possible the B wave "snookered" us, and already occurred? If so, have a look at the right hand side of the chart again. I favor this alternate least, but .. each of the alternates seem to point to lower prices ahead.

ES Futures - Right Hand Side - A,B,C ?

We don't know yet what we don't know. But, it is likely that a corrective wave to an A wave has to have some proportional time characteristic to it. Not always. But, very very often.

P.S. the ES futures made a new high in the after hours, and may have completed the diagonal we referred to in yesterday's comments. If so, the futures should stay within 2,965.50 in the after-hours.  Watch for overlaps, and in no case can the futures trade below 2,920 without signalling the likely end of today's up wave.

Have a good start to your evening.
TraderJoe

49 comments:

  1. Would appreciate a critique of the following count please:
    https://12345abcdewxyz.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/2020-apr-29/

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    1. I address that in my post above (it's on the left-hand-side of the first chart). You apparently are not interested in reading my work. You just want to post your links. You clearly have a blog. Why not leave mine alone - especially if you are not going to read it. Your future posts will continue to be deleted.

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    2. Enjoy reading this site daily and appreciate the analysis!

      The link offers an attempt to clarify what you label as the "very hard to decipher in here" price action. Was wondering what you though of it, which could assist us to determine which one of your two charts are in play.

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  2. Love that "technical" term, "Snookered". I sure did me. lol!

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  3. Nice update TJ, thanks for the overview of options here.

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  4. so what happens from here? Mr. Market is definitely looking pretty bullish lol

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    1. lol...lol...lol...that's what you said just before the last time the market turned lower. ..lol..lol..lol.

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    2. Isn't that what we're all waiting for? Once they all say that, it will turn around!

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  5. Very good comment. == "We don't know yet what we don't know"

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  6. Is the B wave in the chart above shorter than the sub-waves of the A wave?
    If it is, would it be an exception to degree requirements because it is corrective?

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    1. It would be ((b)) in comparison to all of A, because minute ((b)) is a lower degree wave than Minor A. So, in this case - I wish it were different - that is no help.

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  7. Two comments: First, I think Neely would agree "there are too many roughly equidistant touches in the channel to be an impulse." It is likely a multiple zigzag. Nothing got outside of the channel.

    Second: The very first wave is the problem wave. If you think about degree labeling, the whole first wave labeled ((1)) - ((5)) must be the impulse or the section from ((4)) to ((5)) in the colored section wouldn't make any sense as a third wave. See chart below.

    https://invst.ly/qmk9n

    Thus, this tends to support the multiple zigzag minute ((b)) count.

    TJ

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  8. Good morning. ES futures have now dropped below 2,920 before crossing 2.965.50 the first indication that the up trend may be over. If you recall, 2,965.50 would have been "too long" for a diagonal. Prices last night got to 2,965.00 two ticks away! And, 2,920 is the level at which a further wave four in a diagonal was too long for wave two. So, it's time to monitor for any retrace wave later today.

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    1. Awesome work - yesterday so many bears were giving up. Love how the psychology peaks can be measured with EW. I knew it was close

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    2. Impressive work ET. However, the cash futures reached 2972,80 on my platform this morning.

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    3. @Oddvin .. what the heck are "cash futures"? Please link to a chart with a complete description if possible. I am using the standard CME ES E-Mini futures, for the June contract.

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    4. Sorry for the confusion, I meant premarked in the SPX 500 cash index. My CMC platform showing high of 2972.80 while the futures june contract reached 2964,88 ;))

      https://drive.google.com/open?id=1loykkMIFzYot6DZoy3zVFkq0NGdRdp0s

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  9. so how low are we going to go in this downtrend? below 2700?

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  10. ES three-waves down with a 1.618 wave to 2,900. Although it can go further, let's see if there should be a fourth and a fifth wave lower today.

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  11. Hi Joe, I really appreciate your work and monitor it throughout the sessions. I would like to know your thoughts on the market trying to reach the 200 day MA line. While not always a significant milestone, it has been headed that way. You often talk about the market trying to fill gaps but wondered if the 200 day MA could also be a target. Thanks in advance.

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    1. ..maybe when the C wave occurs, upward? Just a guess at this point.

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  12. It appeared that your following diag played out. But then pulled back and went to new high. How would that fit in?
    Thanks

    https://tvc-invdn-com.akamaized.net/data/tvc_10aa89599ea3c0f67660cc2f9d1c8ec3.png

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    1. @GW .. while it is water under the bridge, it is instructive (for me) to answer the question. The following count meets with degree labeling criteria, as all of the sub-waves of 'c' are smaller than 'a'.

      https://invst.ly/qmygf

      But, a triangle was formed instead of a diagonal. Remember how I said, "they are cousin patterns because some of the three-wave sequences can be used for either or both"?. Well, there you go. But, you would have had to stay up until after midnight to get the exact count details. I was fast asleep.

      Hope this helps.

      TJ

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  13. Looks like a Barrier Triangle (started at 9:38 on 1 min) for 4th wave should be finishing up soon.

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  14. Here's what I have for 133 candles on the ES 5-minutes. Within wave ((2)), the spike high reached 50%+ which is what allowed the 3rd wave to extend. Wave ((2)) is a failed flat-combination; wave ((4)) is a zigzag.

    https://invst.ly/qmwv-

    Alternate count shown in red until an impulse does/does not complete. A wave counting stop has been placed on the chart.

    TJ

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    1. According to this site, there is the new low; and the alternate count can be removed. It's just that simple. 1,2,3 is the same as A,B,C until it is not. In this case, 1-3 had the slight edge cause the down wave wave (3 or c) was longer than 1.618; and there was alternation in the count.

      https://invst.ly/qmx24

      TJ

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  15. wow we've hit 2900 - long term how much more is the downside? Is this it for wave c?

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  16. The wave counting stop is now removed for any up waves.

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  17. Liquidity Storm!
    Look at those 1 minute wicks!!

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  18. Now that we know we have an impulse down, look for a break & a back-test for a correction upwards to start.

    https://invst.ly/qmxxu

    You know the old expression: "How do you know the pioneers? They are the ones with the arrows in their chests." One doesn't always have to be first.

    TJ

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  19. Possible triangle prior to ending the wave? ((5)) = 0.618 x net ((1)) to ((3)) at ~2,875.

    https://invst.ly/qmz8p

    TJ

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  20. Today is a key day for the slow stoch. to embed or not on daily S&P 500 futures:https://invst.ly/qmzet

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  21. Could be a 'spiky ((e)) wave', but not above 2,902. Can also be in a more complex ((c)) wave, but again, not above 2,902.

    https://invst.ly/qmzk0

    TJ

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    1. ..ok..there is the busted triangle; likely looking upward from here; see if the back-test occurs.

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  22. how high will the back test go?

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  23. Don't know for sure, but an expanding diagonal is now a way to back-test the trend line. Needs to hold above ((2)), and yet get lower than 2,890. Chart below. If wave ((2)) does not hold then new lows as an expanding diagonal from prior wave four.

    https://invst.ly/qmzt5

    TJ

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    1. ..broker quotes show ES got to 2890.50 and is just longer than 100% x ((2)), while note going below ((2)). Expanding diagonal may complete the back-test. Doesn't show well on Interactive Brokers as their chart drawing is quite inaccurate.

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    2. ..this looks better; there are still ways for it to complete properly. If lower lows are made in the after-hours instead, then the whole pattern might turn into a larger triangle. But, for now, the back test survived.

      https://invst.ly/qm-7s

      TJ

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  24. What happened to the IB Margin drop at 3:50pm today!? ;)

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    1. ..see chart above. IT is not always a "drop" on that minute. If they are short, to make full margin, they must buy. B F, I stated that several times earlier. It can go in either direction.

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    2. True, I was just thinking about that too after I posted, haha. Thanks :)

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  25. Joe you were spot on today do you have chart that shows a larger timeframe over the next few weeks?

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  26. ES broke lower in a larger triangle based on Amazon's earnings.

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