Sunday, October 29, 2023

Why the Nested Count Still Works

The daily chart of the NQ lead contract is below. When we attempt to use The Eight-Fold-Path Method on the daily chart, we find there are only 71 candles (as shown) which is insufficient to be in the range of the 120 - 160 candles needed. But we note that the EWO is on its lowest point, as shown.

NQ Lead Contract Futures - Daily - Nested Count

Because there is no divergence yet, this suggests additional price movement lower is possible. To get 142 candles, you can try the trick of using a 12-hour chart, but the EWO in that case remains on the lows. (Try it!) So, there is no difference in interpretation at this point.

In yesterday's post, we suggested that there is yet to be seen a "kick-off" or a "climatic" pulse lower. IF that were to occur, it would break the "base channel" of one's & two's lower and be a first confirming sign of a third wave. This base channel is also shown above. It is Elliott's preliminary channeling technique.

Next, we note that if this symbol, ⓘ, is for minute-i, down, circle-i, then the first sub-wave of minute-iii, circle-iii, is minuet wave (i). And we note that minuet (i) is shorter in price and time than ⓘ. Further, minuet (ii) is shorter in price and time than minute-ii, circle-ii. So degree labeling definitions are currently being followed. The same is the case in the ES futures. And it is possible for minute-iii, circle-iii to extend by smaller degree extensions.

Please remember when viewing these charts, that in the rollover contract, there is a higher high as shown at the (y) wave high on the above chart. And that is the same in the ES futures. And it turns out that this difference between the lead month contract and the rollover contract matters not for the nested count. The degree definitions still hold. Note in the ES I think the (i) ended just before the expanded flat wave (ii) - which a lot of sites are calling a fourth wave.

For the moment, we know the other count that works is the expanding diagonal. But again, we don't know that downward movement in this wave is over. So why, overall, are we counting as minute-i, ⓘ, down to Minor 1? Let's have a look at the weekly chart, below.

ES Futures - Weekly - Degree Labels Lower

As the chart shows, as long as downward price remains shorter in price and time than the prior larger degree wave in the downward direction, which is Intermediate (A)/(1) based on previous criteria, then the new down wave may be counted as the one lower degree or Minor 1. And its visible sub-waves are the minute degree components. 

Let's see how the week progresses and whether further impulse is experienced - which is certainly possible - or whether a diagonal retraces.

This is the second post this weekend, and if you haven't read the first one yet, you may wish to read it now. Have an excellent rest of the weekend.

TraderJoe

30 comments:

  1. Thanks TJ as usual clear logical extraordinary work.

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  2. Thank you for the great analysis! The RUT seems to support a further impulse down.

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    1. Yes, it actually made a new down-trend low. Chart link below for those who may not be following it.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/SB6gTGoK/

      TJ

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  3. ES 1-Hr: I don't know for sure, but if it pops hard, then there might be this triangle inside as a b wave.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/Xszki9p9/

    TJ

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    1. ..now above the triangle; if it doesn't make the upper trend line or near it, then I'm looking for ways for this to be a diagonal instead of a triangle. TJ.

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    2. ..as far as I can tell - just the diagonal possibility invalidates above 4,205 for the time being. TJ.

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    3. ..now past ES 4,205; looking more like the triangle count. TJ.

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    4. note: there would be an ES hourly gap fill above 4,211. Price can fill the gap or go further if it wants. TJ.

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    5. ..now above ES 4,211; hourly gap filled. TJ.

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  4. Vol crushed today. Where's our Puetz crash guy? Did you add more vix calls?

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    1. Here I am. Yes, the Puetz window has passed with no crash. That's life, it was a long shot. My vix calls expire at the open on 15th November. Vix at 35+ is what I'd like to see. Still possible if a washout wave down arrives. Good luck all.

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    2. Not at all atypical to see a steep vol decline ahead of a 3rd wave decline. I think we have nested 1,2s ahead of a 3rd down at multiple degrees of trend. We shall see...!

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    3. Put call still in the gutter, and now vix is at weekly support. A surprise to the downside bigger than most are thinking is still quite possible after today.

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    4. Roberto -

      What's your preferred source of p/c ratio data? The various sources I have (Ycharts CBOE, ThinkorSwim, a few others) provides data that is conflicting or inconsistent. It may be due to differences in methodologies of using open interest vs volume or equities vs Index based.

      Thanks in advanced for your thoughts.

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    5. trading view comes from CBOE, so I go with that. For market extremes we're still low. This correction today looks like a WXY from the low but I'm biased.

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  5. ES 1-hr: here is a reminder of the count that was presented yesterday. So far, all we have done is reach the triangle 'typical' target.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/Od2Qoo2h/

    The recent up wave 'looks like' (i.e. has the angle of) the third wave, or part of it.
    TJ

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    1. ...note also that circle-ii is smaller in price and time than 'b'. TJ.

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    2. I have added the overlap warning, as below.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/Q56qLo0Q/

      TJ

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  6. Reminder: FOMC rate decision scheduled for 14:00 ET, followed by Powell's press conference at 14:30 ET. TJ.

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  7. ES 1-Hr: last chance fourth wave.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/gdH8byui/

    TJ

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    1. ES 1 Hr ..now up over 78%; no matter whether this fails or not, it is likely wave circle-v. TJ.

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    2. ES now over the high. Wave circle-iv took a little more time but did not overlap. TJ.

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  8. ES 1-Hr: there is nothing convincing yet, so the Principle of Equivalence says a,b,c is i,ii,iii until is isn't. Up wave can be seen in a couple of ways and is tricky. Not sure it has ended with a 'five' yet.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/VEpItf37/

    TJ

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  9. This looks ready for a bounce.

    https://imgur.com/uTKtpEI

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  10. ES ED count.

    https://imgur.com/sQVSt2m

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  11. 18ma on daily reached on futures......

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  12. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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