Saturday, October 10, 2020

Elusive Wave

Most Elliott analysts do not like to provide even a hint of the difficulty in their efforts to determine their one true Elliott Wave count: you know - like the one that a major service provides which has almost always been grossly off in its timing. And you know why: if they admit fallibility or indecision - even with alternate counts, they fear their readership will decline. That is one of the benefits of an unpaid blog. We can speak our mind and tell it like we see it. 

With that background, we admit clearly and loudly that the upward wave and it's constant grind is very, very tempting to count as a five wave sequence. If so, this is probably the best way to do it.

ES Futures - 30 Minutes - Impulse Version

But sharp readers of this blog will also note a few things in this chart - which does have a requisite 140 candles on it (from the range of 120 - 160 recommended) and could be counted as an extended first wave. The first and most glaring issue is that in this style count wave (ii) which is the longest retrace in time does not even retrace 23.6% of the first wave! That, in and of itself, should raise more than one eyebrow. But the second thing to note is in regard to the Elliott Wave Oscillator.  For neither the second nor the fourth wave, there is no travel below the zero line. This again seems very unusual but it reflects the lack of retracement also.  Another thing to note are the lack of real long and impulsive wave segments. By that I mean really large upward bars similar to the large downward bars that preceded this entire wave. Thus, the whole wave looks like a grind upwards rather than impulsivity in the futures, even though there are, indeed, gaps in the cash chart.

So, another way to count this very same wave is the following.

ES Futures - 30 Minutes - Corrective Count

As such, the first thing to note is that the (c) wave might not be done yet. There are enough waves for it but the latest peak could also just be iii of (c). So, there could be a further high on Sunday/Monday. In this format, the very small wave retrace would belong to a (b) wave, and the zigzag is corrective.

There are not many times that I have run into a wave this long-lasting with such a small retrace (even given it may be anticipatory of a stimulus deal).

So, all I can say is that I am willing to live & learn and see what lessons this wave has for us. In turns out that both counts can fit in a potential Minor B wave count as follows. First, for the five-wave sequence.

ES Futures - 4 Hr - Five Wave Count Incorporated

And now for the three-wave sequence.

ES Futures - 4 Hr - Three Wave Sequence

Either count has it's good and bad points. Neither breaks the rules. A lot will depend on any retrace waves - if and when they occur - and whether the lower parallel trend line is broken. And so here it's a really excellent strategy not to get too emotionally adhered to a particular variant at the moment.

Have an excellent rest of the weekend.

TraderJoe

31 comments:

  1. hi joe
    thank you for your great work.
    can you display a daily and weekly chart?
    a big thank-you

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  2. Thanks for the great analysis as always Joe. Hope you and your family are doing ok during these crazy times

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  3. Some observations on the 4hr alternatives -

    https://imgur.com/NKOb8tH

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    1. GW, how do you determine your RSI targets?

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    2. It's actually worse than that GW .. ((a)), ((b)) could always turn out to be ((i)), ((ii), and now in ((iii)). Some other market indexes like the $Tran, and $Rut have already made new highs over the start of the A wave. The issue right here is not to get too attached to a count, be flexible, and recognize where the bias is; particularly if the ES embeds on Monday or Tuesday.

      TJ

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    3. Bob:
      Cardwell's books are virtually impossible to find, but Hayden's RSI: The Complete Guide and Constance Brown's RSI coverage in her 2nd edition T.A. for Trading Prof. are good places to start. :o)

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  4. Some long term thoughts on Gold

    https://imgur.com/T3A5pPz

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    1. thanks for the info Sir. how do you determine your price targets?


      sincerely
      KAVI

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  5. Thank you, TJ, for your effort.

    I'm leaning towards your 4th chart, 4H Three Wave Sequence. I expect more upside due to degree labeling. Price-wise, entire ((Y)) is still shorter than (a) of ((W)).

    Have a great Sunday!

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  6. For those interested, Ira Epstein had some very interesting comments on Thursday regarding upcoming volatility and a reverse head and shoulders pattern.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XlicyByp0

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  7. Thoughts coming into this evening's trading.

    https://imgur.com/ADKRQQc

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  8. There is a futures gap down to keep and eye on, and the fractals and the channel may prove to be instructive.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/i6lnRYv5/

    TJ

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  9. If interested, this is a nice explanation (with examples) of RSI range shift.

    https://www.abhijitpaul.com/rsi-range-shift-the-key-to-understanding-the-markets-behavior/

    I believe this link will get you there.

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  10. If the current candle closes up, this will establish another pos HD. As long as prior candle close holds, would suggest going to new high. RSI has held just above 60 (as its done for several days) if we close up.

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    1. Last look this evening.

      https://imgur.com/wAcSLUQ

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    2. We have closed above last pos HD. I think the 180 min has the clearest view (in RSI terms). The daily is trying to poke above 60 level. Whether it can hold there by day's end will be of interest. The .786 retrace is just above us.

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    3. Last thought - we do have a virtual measured move from 9/24 low.

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  11. Extended 1 within extended 1? 0-2 line holds, and 1>3>5 in all degrees (as of now)

    https://invst.ly/sfnza

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  12. fyi only - ES above daily Bollinger Band, at R2 daily pivot and at 78.6% retrace level of entire down move.

    TJ

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  13. We are close to reaching the 1.618 of the move up from 2nd/6th.

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    1. Observations:

      https://imgur.com/VVa39xx

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  14. Just fyi - in this count, the upper channel on the ES 2-Hr, and the equality level have been met & slightly exceeded.

    https://invst.ly/sfs90

    TJ

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    1. TJ, in your chart, ((c)) looks incomplete. I can not find any reasonable way to count it as a 5.

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  15. The exact pattern as the example.

    http://www.tradersdaytrading.com/3-peaks-and-a-domed-house.html

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  16. Some perspective on the NDX (weekly/daily)

    https://imgur.com/KiGtNL3

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  17. ET whats your take on this potential tripple zz? What is the "common" ratio for Z waves?

    https://invst.ly/sfsnq

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  18. I am assuming, since this was counted as a 5 down from Sept 2, that the 90% does not come into discussion since it is not a flat based on that initial count of 5 down

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  19. My ES target of 3542 has yet to be reached. A failure here could see some degree of pullback. Does anyone see a small diag (15min)?

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  20. Here is the DOW futures' bizarro pattern. A lot depends on the over-night. I don't think we even begin to get clear answers until the orange trend line is broken lower.

    https://invst.ly/sfu3d

    TJ

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    1. ..if the overnight does not make a higher high; it will be suggestive of only three-waves up to this point. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone can be definitive here. This is a 'third wave' in 'some sense'; either as a ((c)) wave or as a wave ((iii)) or a ((y)) wave.

      TJ

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  21. A new post is started for the next day.

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