Sunday, May 30, 2021

Plausible Count and Prediction in TNX

The yield on the 10-year Treasury Note is at an interesting location. With about 102 candles on the 2-day chart, slightly lower than the recommended 120 candles for The Eight Fold Path Method for Counting an Impulse, we see that the Elliott Wave Oscillator is nearing the zero line again.

TNX - 2-Day - Running Triangle?

In this count, we note that wave Minor 2 is much less than 38.2% retrace. This often means that wave one is the extended wave in the sequence and wave three should therefore be shorter than 1. In this chart it is, assuming the higher EWO is helping us find the wave three location.  If wave 2 is a short sharp, then wave Minor 4 could potentially be a 'longer-in-time" running triangle with bullish implications. One of the purposes of the triangle is to equalize the net distance traveled between waves 4 and 2.

If the triangle is correct, as the EWO seems to suggest, it could be over already as it as already formed a legal running triangle by crossing back over the high of wave Minor 3. But, it could have one more spike lower and still be within the realm of the proper look. Further, if the triangle is correct, then wave Minor 5 should be shorter in price than wave Minor 3, since wave Minor 3 is shorter than wave Minor 1.  However, such a wave would allow interest rates to near or tag the 2.0% level before a significant retrace wave sets in.

Why count this way? I contend that one of the most common mistakes is to place the wave 1 all the on the left in August, and assume everything else, upward is part of wave 3. If you do that you will find that wave 3 is necessarily longer than 4.23 x wave 1! And then, minute ((i)) of Minor 3 would be much longer than Minor 1 in price length, and several other degree violations would occur.

Again, we note how difficult it is with proper degree labeling to exceed 2.618 as a wave extension. I mean you can count this way if you wish, but notice the difference in these two predictions:

  1.  Counting with degree labeling says wave 5 will be shorter than wave 3.
  2.  Counting without degree labeling says wave 5 can be any length, even longer than 3!

This is one of the benefits of counting properly with Elliott Wave: it leads to a definable prediction about future waves. And, it also provides a clear make-or-break point. If wave 5 is even one-tick longer than wave 3, it means the count must necessarily be reassessed. This is objectively different than dealing with other styles of technical analysis. It is even objectively different than counting incorrectly with Elliott Wave. Look at the difference in prediction: if wave 5 can even be longer than wave 3, then where is the make-or-break point??!!

That being said, since the entire up wave is longer than 1, if you include the segments in the triangle, and since some triangles break down instead of up, then the second bit of information from this chart would be that maybe wave 4 can hold a Flat style wave instead. That is possible but less likely because then time of the down wave and internal price lengths of the down waves really stretch their similarity to wave 2. And if downward overlap occurs instead of even a Flat, then we must conclude there was only ever an A,B,C up.

I have tried to stress repeatedly just how much information one can get from a properly constructed Elliott Wave chart. I know some people simply do not like this. They do not like "one procedure, and one procedure only", even if it is well mathematically based. They like it their way. That is just human nature. Yes, there is still uncertainty in the conclusions drawn on the above chart, but the benefit is it is uncertainty within defined limits. Maybe this clear example provides the lucid rationale.

This is the second of two posts this weekend, and if you have not seen the first one, you might like too.

Here's hoping this helps, and have an excellent rest of the weekend and/or holiday!

TraderJoe

54 comments:

  1. Brilliant work TJ, quick question if I may; do you think the FTSE 100 in the U.K. is ahead of the U.S. markets i.e. having completed 5 Primary waves up since 2009?
    I would be interested to hear your view, thank you.

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    1. Thx. You may not have seen these two posts. The first is about the US market.

      http://studyofcycles.blogspot.com/2020/06/trillions.html

      The second is about the FTSE 100. It is a count I posted in the comments last month. It is essentially the same as the U.S.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/ihGMXpss/

      Nothing categorically precludes another (X) and (Z) in FTSE.
      TJ

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  2. Thanks so much for your prompt reply, I had read your excellent post entitled Trillions before and just re-read it now so knew the S&P was still within Primary wave ((B)) up with the Primary wave ((C)) down still to come at some point.
    I had, however, completely missed the Ftse count you have provided above which makes things so much clearer in my mind now as the counts are as you say essentially the same.
    Thanks again Joe and please keep up the good work, Paul

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  3. DJI (wkly) 1,1,2,3,5? -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3carL.png

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    1. nicely done! That is the kind of study others overlook.

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    2. Note: Using a close only chart, and aligning the first two with the high close (vs highest high), this shifted #5 to early July. This is using a daily vs wkly to hone in.

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  4. There is shortage of collateral which is making reverse repo go parabolic. In this environment, for rates to tick up there has to be systemic shock such as taper tantrum or liquidity crisis, similar to fed wire issues in Feb.

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  5. Copper/Gold vs TNX (wkly) -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3casi.png

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  6. Perhaps you can have 1/2 of what you want: 1) $NAAD (Cumulative); the adv-dec line on the NASDAQ peaked in Feb and has not made a new high. 2) The ratio of $DOWI:GOLD has not made a new high since 2018. But, more importantly, we know the FED has stated it is and is acting to control the rate of interest, and - if it did not do so - the economy would be in serious trouble. So, in that sense, the wave is a 'phony' and not built upon solid fundamentals. It seems very similar to the 2007 phony up-wave, when Greenspan lowered rates creating the false housing boom. Housing fell apart, then the economy with it. It is a little harder to tell where the flaw in the armor will come from this time. IF the FED had not bailed out the airlines with direct payments, where would those transports be? What will they need to pay back? Hard to say. At some point down the line, something will become more apparent. Perhaps there will be a return to the 'bond market vigilantes' who demand greater interest for parking their cash during inflation. Or perhaps there will be a revolt against the corporate buy-back. TECH is the first to crumble when rates rise; others follow.

    TJ

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  7. This might be just one such item from CNBC:

    "Millions of Americans could face eviction as housing protection expires in June"

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/31/millions-of-americans-could-face-eviction-as-housing-protection-expires-in-june.html

    At some point, somehow, people may have to pay for what they contracted for in the form of a lease or mortgage; or something else will have to shift again to avoid that pain.

    TJ

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  8. SPX/M2 (mthly), a different picture indeed -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3caCj.png

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    1. Addendum: A couple of measures of interest-
      1. From '00 peak to '03 low projected from '07 peak shows '09 low at .618
      2. Ext retrace of rally from '03 low to '07 peak shows '09 low at 1.618

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    2. 👍 I’m watching for a reversal next week after new money comes in. We may have a short term top already. ATB.

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  9. Yes, I addressed that in my last sentence above. I am trying not to underestimate the influence of money on the market.

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  10. A look at the 4hr before trading resumes later today -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3caGK.png

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  11. DJI (mthly) 1,1,2,3? (lows) - Let's talk again in January :o)

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3caHn.png

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  12. SPX (4hr) - Is it harmonic? (Reminded me of a couple of harmonic patterns.)

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3caKB.png

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    1. Certainly looks like and that rsi resistance has held so far

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  13. FYI: So after about a year and half later trying and after changing the current market structure from symmetrical triangle to a Neely wave diametric several times for several months, Mr Neely today has finally called the current structure as "Unknown". As in throwing in the towel-

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    1. In other words, "Neely calls the top."

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    2. I threw in the towel reading his book but in the end he does suggest markets advance extremely high.

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    3. I cancelled my subscription to his service a few months ago as it seemed he was grasping at straws.

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    4. This has been an extraordinarily difficult market,seemingly not amenable to ordinary market technical analysis so I have some degree of sympathy. What we have been seeing is abnormal and imho owing to extraordinary market intervention. I suspect it will all end badly. Rules can be bent, but rarely broken. I expect the inevitable mean reversion is going to leave a few complacent folk absolutely shell-shocked...

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  14. J Powell has manipulated and completely distorted the markets and has crossed countless "red lines" in doing so. Nevertheless, the one thing that always remains true in the markets is "don't fight the Fed."

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  15. In review of my weekly stock list emerging markets really drew my attention. ESCE,IEMG and EEM all peaked February 12th with about 115 bars on 2 days chart from covid low. It is also possible they are in a triangle but a break out could coincide with the 6-10-2021 ex dividend date. ETF.com provided the ex dividend date, please consult your own reliable data source.

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  16. GE (wkly) - Weinstein (a comment on CRS if entering "early") - [if interested]

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3caRS.png

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  17. We had an impulsive move off the lows in VIX into the close last Friday. The pre-market gap higher in VIX is quite rare and therefore note-worthy. A battle between FED hubris and a significant RTM event appears under-way.

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  18. My assumption that the successful reclaim of 4200 was at least short-term bullish appears confirmed by ES price action. The strong VIX reversal may have been a warning any bullish action would be short lived. Open gaps higher in BOTH VIX and the major indices is rarer than rubies. They usually presage an outside revetsal day.

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  19. Good morning all. Due to the 'first-of-the-month-money' inflows, the day is starting out like an outside range day up. Let's see how near the prior high of 4,238 we get, or if we get over it, as that will inform the types of structures which can form.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/gPaeAOJf/

    TJ

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  20. ES 15-min; because of the holiday, the daily pivots are a bit of a mess and had to be manually calculated. They are below. Interestingly, 1) there is already a 1.618 x wave extension present, and 2) the 1.618 corresponds with the R2 level.

    https://invst.ly/u-ewu

    That said, wave three, up 'might' have a bit more to go given the early hour.

    TJ

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    1. ES 15-min: tags lower channel line which is the same as the ES 30-min intraday 18-per SMA.

      https://invst.ly/u-fd7

      TJ

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    2. ES15-min; tags R1 and bounces a bit.

      https://invst.ly/u-fm7

      Can be a fourth wave still.
      TJ

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    3. ES 15-min; EWO below zero and downward overlap. Messy.
      TJ

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    4. ES 15-min; so IFF we only had the additional three-waves-up, we have started down on the 4-hr Flat.

      https://invst.ly/u-g5s

      Watch the retrace, the lower trend line & any back-test with failure. It is not 'impossible' to go over the high again. It is 'very, very difficult' to tell if this morning was 'three-waves-up' or just an 'a' wave up in some kind of wedge. However, the 'a' wave up would invalidate below last night's low.

      TJ

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  21. Once again furious money flows at just above 4200.00. Bulls looke to me to be on thin ice here....

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  22. ES 5-min; pretty clear five-down from 4,230 to 4,198. Watch the retrace, and the 4-hr trend line.

    TJ

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  23. SPY (15min) -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3cb4b.png

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  24. ES 30-min, here is the intraday wave-counting-screen.

    https://invst.ly/u-h75

    The first down (red) fractal back has already been exceeded lower. ES has not yet touched the S1 pivot level. Close, but not yet.

    TJ

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  25. ES 5-min, pretty clean 'five-down'; Fibo retrace levels added.

    https://invst.ly/u-hmj

    TJ

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    1. ..now into five smaller-degree waves up off the low.
      TJ

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    2. ES 5-min: here's an update. The upper (red circle) gap is a true gap in a third wave. The lower (black arrow) apparent gap is just a chart anomaly (graphic artifact of some type).

      https://invst.ly/u-i7v

      TJ

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  26. Looks like possible ZZ for retrace...

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  27. ES 5-min, tentative up channel can be drawn.

    https://invst.ly/u-iyz

    TJ

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    1. P.S> I need to be out for a few hours. Will check back later.

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  28. Looks like possible exp flat (B making new low) -

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  29. SPY (15min) update -

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3cb7x.png

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  30. One added thought on the prior GE (wkly) Weinstein post - [if interested]

    https://funkyimg.com/i/3cb7L.png

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  31. Agree with Flat GW .. market a little weaker.

    https://invst.ly/u-lbg

    TJ

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    1. 3rd wave (or C) down measures to about the top of the kicker gap area (MM) at this point.

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  32. Energy sector strong today (at this point).

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  33. Interesting situation. I am counting a corrective move up, BUT...money flows shows liquidity dumps around 4200, so no idea if the cabal will arrest another impulsive-looking initial decline. Futures should tell the tale... :)

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  34. A new post is started for the next day.

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