In prior posts (see LINK here) we have laid out the case for a potential expanding diagonal top, still in formation, or for a Primary Ⓑ wave top at the recent high. Those counts remain active, as we do our best to count locally. But the Principle of Equivalence can be a little more insidious in some situations, and this often requires that we pay close attention while suspending our judgement for just a bit. One thing is not this uncertain. In terms of absolute points (not necessarily percentage in some situations), this down wave is currently longer than all the prior ones since October of 2022. So, it does appear that we may well have had a true turn-of-degree by the definitions involved.
Still, when we back out and look at the two-weekly ES chart in close-only format, we see that we are still in a parallel since March 2020, as below.
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ES Futures - 2 Weekly - Close Only |
So, because we haven't overlapped anything downward yet, and because the wave (2), down, is a simple zigzag, The Fourth Wave Conundrum - that occurs of every degree of trend, and The Principle of Alternation say that we could get a very sideways triangle or flat - which does not overlap - to make a fourth wave, (4). Note that with 131 candles on this chart, the EWO, while declining, has not come back down to near the zero line, yet.
It is possible a fourth wave triangle could coincide with a FED rate-cutting cycle during a recession if one should occur. This may have the effect of getting the animal-spirits flowing again and keeping the market afloat.
Caution: there is virtually nothing that is guaranteed about this scenario. The expanding diagonal could still happen. And, if the triangle does happen, as above, there can still be a lot of down-side movement yet even from here. We are not yet down to 38 - 50% of wave (3).
We include this scenario for completeness, and because the up waves (1) & (3) are just messy enough in their counting to possibly allow it. Further, we have not seen a clear, massive, agreed-upon triangle on the weekly chart, though the daily triangle possibility at this high has been noted by several analysts, me included. So, this is just a scenario to keep in the back of your mind, even though the expanding diagonal and the Primary Ⓑ wave may agree more with the extreme market over-valuation and extreme, extreme long-term bullishness.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe
Excellent, explains why oscillators are getting way too oversold so quickly. Another low and the rsi daily divergence will be already there
ReplyDeleteNot every oscillator is over-sold. Stochastic is actually still 'over-bought'. Here are the 'popular' ones.
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TJ
Amazing TJ. Can you please share the link of Primary B wave post. Unable to find in archive.
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And this comment in it for the longer term prior ⑤.
TJ
https://www.tradingview.com/x/bSEsN5qY/
TJ
And this one for the Primary Ⓑ wave in the NDX, if we are 'fighting the last battle".
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TJ
Thanks Tj.
DeleteOne has to monitor all ideas but it gives me great concern having that sideways correction right in the middle of that wave circle 3.
Delete@BBR .. it would be easiest on my nerves if the triangle alternate 'did not' occur. Lol. TJ.
DeleteOne think to look for to validate the B wave proposal is of course an initial 5 wave impulse of the top to commence the C wave, a sine qua non, of the theory, as it were. Looks like we are about to get a small degree five down fwiw.
ReplyDeleteES is trying to hold mid line on the monthly channel.
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If we head to the lower and maybe add some sneak underneath, it would be longer than 2 for validity in the expanding ending diagonal count.
DeleteWe have, in the least, qualified for a flat in the ES.
ReplyDeleteSPY 1-hr: there is a new lower low at the open.
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TJ
Gold (GC) Futures - 15-minutes. There may well have been an expanding triangle for a yet smaller degree fourth wave in Gold. Neely says 'sometimes' the fifth wave does not go over the high.
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TJ
GOLD (GC) Futures - 15 min - there is now a new higher high. After a triangle? Hmmm... TJ.
DeleteES 45-min: here's what I think is going on in the down count, which includes Roberto's a-b-c for 2 / B. The roll-over contract has not made a new low yet, although the front-month contract has.
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If 5-waves down are not made, then it could be an expanded flat (I think BBRider was describing).
TJ
Now up to upper channel line, and the 38 - 50% zone of the length of 3 / C.
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TJ
A new post is started for the next day.
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