Thursday, November 23, 2023

The Fourth Wave Conundrum

I have written often that The Fourth Wave Conundrum - which occurs at every degree of trend - is what helps make the Elliott Wave quite a bit less predictable than one would like. The problem, again, is that when a fourth wave is expected, and the market starts down with only a three-wave sequence, then the number of possible patterns explodes to thirteen! So, one has only a one-in-thirteen possibility of being correct by random chance. This amounts to odds of 8 : 92 of being correct. Not good. 

To further illustrate this point, we are going to look at the longer-term market prospects IF, and only IF, the SP500 makes a higher monthly high like the NDX has. We don't care if it does. We are agnostic from a wave counting viewpoint. We have no vested emotional interest in the matter as we are too well aware of this conundrum that we have explained numerous times in the history of this blog. So let's start with some scenarios. The first one is this.

Flat Wave for SuperCycle [IV]


That scenario derives from the "Thrust from a Triangle Interpretation" of wave Cycle V. That means that the downward wave sequence into 2022 was only a three-wave sequence (the 'devil' that creates all the issues). And we could eventually bust the local high and travel to 90% to 150% to make a Primary Ⓑ wave up, before making a Primary Ⓒ wave down. This is a completely realistic scenario, and one must be open to it. Perhaps the 5,000 level will be touched, first.

This scenario has going for it that that 2020 rise "looks like" a thrust from an expanding triangle. It is a massive explosion and can be interpreted that way. Keep in mind on the way down recently the ES futures did overlap downwards. So, we might only have A-B-C up to (W) in the recent count, with an (X) wave down - unlike in the NDX that has no overlaps. The next scenario is this one.

The Contracting Diagonal Scenario


The scenario results from the Flat IV Interpretation of the Covid-19 decline instead of the triangle. The issues with this scenario are that wave Cycle V looks out-of-proportion to Cycle IV in terms of time. But, such a condition might be due to the money-printing and fiscal stimulus we all know of. Another issue is that wave Primary ③ must go over the top again for this count. That hasn't happened yet. Regarding the double-zigzag for wave ③ instead of a single zigzag Prechter has written (and I have seen it once in the EuroFX) that sometimes the third wave forms as a double-zigzag in an effort to try to become the longest wave. The "zigzag substitution rule" in The Elliott Wave Principle by Frost & Prechter allows triple and double zigzags to substitute for a single zigzag. Again, the SP500 5,000 level could be touched or exceeded.

Such a pattern would be a fitting end to a Cycle Degree wave, and it is a way to hobble over to the next Presidential Inauguration. So, one should keep it in the back of one's mind. The third pattern being presented is this one.

The Barrier Triangle Scenario


This scenario recognizes the extreme rise to the 2021-2022 top as a third primary wave. Since then, we may be in a triangle. The wave down would be Intermediate (A) and was the most violent leg of the triangle. The other waves of the triangle would still be in construction in what might turn into a horrible range-bound grind until there is a pop out of the triangle. Again, the S&P500 level of 5,000 could be met or exceeded.

Of these scenarios, the first is favored slightly. But any of them could happen - as could some others. So, one really, really needs to be flexible and open-minded. As Prechter presented in the interview shown previously, long-term sentiment is excessive. So, could this index crumble from here and use the three-waves down from the high as the first wave of a diagonal? It could, but the odds are low. And one must wait until the high is exceeded or not to draw any conclusions.

But IF the high is exceeded, one shouldn't be scratching one's head too long. These very same wave scenarios play out in very, very many fourth waves at all degrees of trend. And, going over the high again - if that's what happens is not a sign of failure or anything else - it is what it is: maybe just a sign of money-printing. So remain flexible, calm and patient.

Have an excellent start to the holiday.

TraderJoe

9 comments:

  1. Thank you TJ. That is exactly the sort of answer to my question from earlier in the week. What are the more prominent possibilities (esp. the most bullish AND the most bearish) that appear viable at higher degree? Obviously, with 4th waves (if indeed that's where we are as seems quite probable) it becomes a real challenge to pin down. Risk management is paramount when trying to navigate a minefield like this. Have a great Thanksgiving holiday!

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    1. Yes, I tried to answer it in response to your question. Thanks for asking it, and contributing to the blog. Happy Thanksgiving, too. TJ.

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  2. Thanks TJ for putting time and effort in describing the most probable optimistic and pessimistic scenarios. Happy Thanksgiving!

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  3. Thank you ET Very interesting options. Many commentators think it will be bullish until at least the first or second quarter of 2024. (Minus EWI which always counts the most bearish option possible). If the market behaves in the opposite way, I might go with your first option. Patience, as you often say.

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    1. that's the thing - it seems like EVERYONE is expecting a rally to continue until the first or second quarter of 2024.

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    2. "expecting a rally to continue" .... well I don't. I have "a top" immediately ahead, but my tools suggest pretty strongly it will be just a pullback, perhaps a sharp one. But then it marches north again. (a moderated version of red on chart 1) No visibility beyond Q1 for me yet.

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  4. Phi Mate turn date Nov 27 which is Monday. We are also in a Fib cluster for turns. When you consider market internals and both the Wiltshire and equal-weighted indices, it suggests caution is warranted. I am also curious about whether all the bullish talking heads are simply ignorant of market history as regards the END of a rate hiking cycle, or are the just propagandists? :)

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  5. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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  6. May I ask a question: In a zigzag, can Y take more time than w or there must be equality. The fibo relationship can be W = Y or Y = 1.618 x W? Is there any fibo relationship which should be taken into account? In case of a z wave, should it necessarily be shorter in time or in price than Y? Thank you.

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