There appear to be enough waves in the count, and still sufficient upward overlap to make this revision to the ES / SPX potential diagonal lower, here shown in the two-hour S&P500 cash index.
There is still a long way to go to prove out a count like this - in which the waves must form properly, so we'll take it one step at a time, remaining flexible and open-minded.
This material was added after the new session began. Diagonals can be tricky. I get that. That is why I have decided to 'play this one forward' on the site with the clear caveat that a diagonal must prove itself. IF the diagonal plays out, then the wave 5 'must be' longer than the wave 3. See chart below which is of the ES 4-Hr futures.
ES Futures - 4 Hr - Wave 5 Must Be Longer than 3 in Price |
Again, IFF a diagonal is to play out, then wave 5 'must be' longer than wave 3. Thus, this forms a clear Target # 1 in the diagram, above. 'Usually' (most-often) the minute ((a)) wave will take a stab at the prior low to show its character as a Motive Wave. Remember, by the principles of degree labeling, wave minute ((a)), if it is to be a sub-wave, should not be longer than all of Minor 3.
Then, there would be a minute ((b)) retrace which would be 'entirely up for grabs'. I have seen them be very long and touch the upper down-trend line. I have seen them we very short, or be a triangle, and then just break loose into the minute ((c)) wave - fooling a lot of us in the process. Here, the only restriction is that minute ((b)), again by degree labeling, should be shorter in price and time than all of Minor 4.
As long as all of Minor 5 is longer than Minor 3, the wave is in good shape. It may come out near 4,000. It could go lower. Sometimes Target # 2 is near the Wave 3 x 1.618 level. So, don't be surprised if it is. Again, this is all supposing five waves down to minute ((a)) form as they should.
Have a good rest of the day.
TraderJoe
ES 5-min: there is one way to count five-waves-down; the fourth wave could become more complicated yet, but it not required to.
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ES 5-min: second way to count five-waves-down involving a running triangle fourth wave, and a lower low.
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Thanks for the updated count. No wonder I was lost what a mess!
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Thanks!
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Joe, the 5 minute charts you are referring to would be the fourth wave of wave i of C?
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Cfd - PnF, a move to 4425 will initiate a double btm breakout. (full target 4175) fwiw.
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An additional chart and commentary was added after the evening session began.
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ET,
ReplyDeleteIs a double zigzag not possible with latest high as an x wave? In your chart you show 5 waves for (a) 3 waves for (b) and is that 5? waves up for (c) to complete 4? I always look for (c) to only make a 5 wave pattern.
With a nasty traffic jam of the moving averages I put my thoughts on QQQ.
https://www.tradingview.com/x/m5E0KF9U/
Don't think so Bill. That wave then becomes too long in price to be corrective to anything. (i.e. it is longer than BOTH previous Intermediate (X) waves in price and time.)
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please also see the additional material added to this post after the start of the evening session if you haven't already ...
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Ok thanks I know you like the diagonals. Didn't know there was a time rule for an x wave in a combination.
DeleteThanks for the "potential look ahead".
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https://www.mediafire.com/view/rh87ssqv4ea86gc/BTCfut.PNG/file
can you do this analysis on gold and/or gold miners?
DeleteGC (dly) PnF current
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TJ, I have forgotten. Should the EWO, with the proper number of candles, make a new low in the 5th wave when dealing with an expanding diagonal? I would think the EWO should take a megaphone look in this pattern.
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IWM (longer term) 2 views - [if interested] -
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ES 30-min: here is the intraday wave counting screen with Bollinger Bands, Daily Pivots, and local fractals.
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There is a short term channel to watch, and the chart shown is behind. But as of this time, there are no new fractals yet.
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..based on subsequent candle, the candle at this morning's high is now an up (green) fractal.
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ES 30-min; channel breach to the down side.
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..chart update ..
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Looks like we finished a triangle. Was it a wave 4 or something else?
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ES 30-min; the first down (red) fractal back has been exceeded lower at about the 78.6% retrace level of the three upward waves.
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..now down to the 90% retrace level; making the 'b' wave of a Flat legal; or warning of the next impulse lower.
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Cfd - while we wait - [if interested] (click to sharpen)
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ES 30-min; now down through the low and the second down (red) fractal back.
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..the lower wave still has a bearish bias. Bulls would have to rebuild.
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fyi - ES daily - the 04 Feb low has been taken out lower, turning the swing line down for the moment and under the 18-day SMA.
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ES 30-min: 4,413 is the 1.618 external retrace on the up waves. It was just touched. Below there is a problem for a 'b' wave.
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Fyi - Closed FED meeting under 'expedited procedures' announced on FED page at this link.
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Thank you TJ. Very interesting that it coincided with a White House press conference about potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Perhaps a little misdirection?
Deletemagic mirrors? lol.
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ES 30-min; now below 4,413, and might be able to be counted as 'five-waves-down' on the ES 5-min chart.
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Here on SPY are the potential 'five-waves-down' since the open. Can go lower if the fourth wave is forming a running triangle.
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..running triangle no longer an option.
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..now 'possible' flat to the 50% of wave ((3)). Careful.
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ES/SPY 5-min: another lower low; might make a better ((5)).
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ES / SPY 5-min: keep an eye on the dotted down trend line shown.
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ES / SPY 5-min: SPY is breaching trend line to the up side on a stochastic divergence.
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ES / SPY 5-min; I'd revised the dotted trend line one more time, and look for a possible running triangle if they want to sell them into the close.
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ES / SPY lower low, 'can be' a breakdown from a 'running triangle, as follows.
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GC - has broken out to the upside from TB support (10pt box) -
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DeleteCertainly possible! - A quick look
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ES / SPY 5-min, if above 4,418 before a new further lower low, then there is also a way to consider the whole move down as a contracting diagonal (instead of running triangle).
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ES now above 4,418 without a new low. Here is the contracting diagonal idea which works out 'measurement wise'.
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Let's see how it goes.
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..of the two .. the dimensions are less strained on the running triangle fourth wave. As it measures closely to the original wave ((2)).
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..so this has the 'best look' at this point.
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There is a new post started for the next day.
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