Thursday, February 14, 2019

Lower Low Day

In case you weren't able to follow all of yesterday's intraday comments, we may have been able to rescue the Minor 2 label at this level. First, here is the daily chart of the S&P500 cash index.

S&P500 Cash Index - Daily - Does ((c)) = ((a)) in Time?

On a two-hourly chart, we showed that from a time perspective, wave ((c)) could equal wave ((a)) in time two within two bars! That was quite astounding. We are showing it above on the daily chart.

Next, using the following chart, we were able to count five waves for a minute ((c)) wave as follows.

S&P500 Cash Index - Hourly - Minute ((c)) Completed?

It turns out in this count, all of the sub-waves of minute ((c)) are smaller than minute ((a)). So, degree labeling is adhered to in that regard. Further, within minute ((c)), when counted in this manner, each of minuet (ii), and minuet (iv) are shorter in price than the minute ((b)) wave. And, so, degree labeling is adhered to in that regard, as well.

With today's downward movement there was at least an overlap on wave minuet (iii) of ((c)). We just note that so that it prevents calling minuet (iii) as minuet (i), instead, and this down wave as minuet (iv), because that count would not be allowed by the overlap rules.

Further, today was a true "outside day down" in the daily ES E-Mini S&P500 Index futures. We have not seen one of those in quite a while, and it was maintained into the close. So, there is some level of evidence the downside is being temporarily favored here. Further indications would be a gap down day tomorrow, and lower histogram bars on the Fisher Transform indicator. We are not quite there yet, so patience, flexibility and calm are still required.

Have a good start to the evening.
TraderJoe

57 comments:

  1. Yesterday I counted the calendar days from 26th December to 13th February, and it's 49 days (another 7x7). 33 trading days, 34 to today, 35 til tomorrow when I expect we'll see some serious follow through.

    All good evidence for these things not being at all random.
    Down to the 27th February from 13th would be 14 days. Or it may happen over 7 trading days, from tomorrow, which would be to 26th February (perhaps with a follow-through crash low retest on 27th). 14/2 today too.

    Good luck everyone, do remember we're still inside the Puetz crash window that was open in 1987 too, and multiple other crashes through history.

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    1. A very rapid return to test the lows would be consistent with a leveraged V-shaped move off the bottom. The unwind should indeed be precipitous....

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    2. My research shows the "Puetz window" to be in July. What am I missing?

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    3. David, there could be two perhaps?

      If you know the criteria you'll know that the eclipse schedule for a crash window right now fits, as it did in 1987.

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    4. Which source do you use to check the eclipse schedule? I use this one - https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/list.html

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  2. It sure does look like the wedge drawn to tag the prior lows was breached today...

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  3. The Fisher certainly has the look of a diagonal with the declining peaks. If we are in that leading diagonal you had prior, I guess I shouldnt be coming up with 5 waves up as my CFD AO chart post seemed to indicate. :o) Blame it on the AO! lol

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    1. Basis 4hr CFD, I count 22 bars for your diagonal last wave up. Let's see if we fully retrace in fewer bars.

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    2. A 5-3-5-3-5 leading diagonal.

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    3. I never said anything about a leading diagonal. And there are no overlaps for a diagonal. You have made up something you shouldn't have.

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    4. Hmmm. I thought you had shown how the entire move up started with 5 waves to 1 (now your A), then 4 more following, with a slight miss of overlap. I've seen it stated that the overlap doesnt have to actually occur, but close. I have this count on a chart, and I didnt originate it. Perhaps my mistake thinking it was from here. Sorry.

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    5. It was you 5hr chart. I took that to be a leading diagonal. It looked like an overlap on your chart. That was probably my mistake. Certainly ties into the Fisher though. :o)

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    6. This was my reference for overlap not having to occur.
      https://imgur.com/dERIska

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  4. if top not in one more push 2810
    just keep counting
    right with you
    thanks Joe

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  5. From the Oct high - Dec low, we have retraced 62% in terms of both price and time.

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  6. Thanks Joe, I started to doubt the degree rules in this huge wave, I couldn’t see an count that would flt with a zz, but this makes a lot of sense!

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  7. Asia had a bad session,China especially. These things always seem to start in the East.

    Overnight ES took out the recent lows, good to see. I think a big red day today is likely, and NYSE closed on Monday too. A perfect set up.

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  8. Asia had bad session but Eurozone is up 1% plus. ES within a few points from hitting yesterday's high at which point Joe's current count likely gets invalidated. When does your expectation of the swift drawdown gets invalidated?

    Thanks

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    1. Mine has it starting Monday at the lastest, just before the full moon.
      Look back to March 2018, as the full moon hit, the lows weer basically re-tested in 7 trading days. This next 7 trading days I still expect an 87-style crash to sub 2000 SPX. But it has to start Monday.

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  9. While they don't all reach, a common target of V bottoms is to retest the origin of the prior drop in price. In our case, that puts us in the area of 2800 +/-. Just an observation.

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  10. Just thinking there's the better end of the c wave diagonal.

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  11. I see we have a higher high day after a lower low night. Seven waves up? Unfortunately I need to be away from the workstation most of the day.

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    1. Joe, moving the circle b to Jan. 29 at 2631 (end of a triangle) then gives a nice 5 waves up, with overlap and 1>3>5.

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    2. I beleive you have shown that structure in the past.

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  12. It appears FP on cash wins the day.

    https://imgur.com/MNAY7C0

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  13. From the overnight low I count 3 up. I note the upper trendline from the Dec low at around 2790 and upper bb at 2782.

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  14. the c wave could be just 1 of 5, then we are in 3 expect a fe more highs on that count. 2790/2810

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  15. C of 3 of Contracting ED from a few days ago.

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  17. Gap in the VIX on October 5th has been filled. $NDX seems to be developing a very interesting candle on the Daily chart.

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    1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
      I thought wave 4 should overlap wave 1 for it to be considered a proper diagonal, should it not? I don't see an overlap.

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    2. Yes in a diagonal wave 4 should overlap wave 1. That would be considered impulse which would be a possible zig-zag.

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  19. The steepness of the DOW's rise today (SPX does not have this "issue") now requires a time consuming 4th wave in order to satisfy the rule "all of 3 must remain above the line joining 2 to 4". At least, that's how I understand it. DOW is at 25795 and the trend line is presently at 25745 and climbing. If the DOW shoots to new highs now then the "rule" is only a guideline or the DOW is not in an impulse (very unlikely). To satisfy the "rule" a triangle is possible with the DOW currently in "c wave" of the triangle. If so the 61.8% retrace of the "b wave" of the triangle sits at 25760 with the 78.6% retrace at 25746.

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    1. I should specify that my reference is DOW futures and counting from the overnight low.

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    2. A 4th wave triangle still appears valid on the DOW (and the SPX) as this sideways movement plays out. The apparent "c wave" of the triangle fell to 25748 on my system very close to the 78.6% retrace (25746) of the "b wave". The 61.8% and 78.6% retrace levels for the "d wave" of the triangle are at 25788 and 25800 respectively. The "2 to 4 trendline" has also now "caught up" with the price action so "all of 3" in now above the trend line.

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    3. Triangle looked okay for a good portion of the way but did fully play out. The only other possibility I can see is an expanded running flat for the 4th wave which ended on the correct side of the "2 to 4 line". This "should" be bullish for the 5th wave. DOW has made a new high (for the 5th wave), SPX has not (yet).

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    4. Should read "Triangle … but did NOT fully play out."

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  20. Today the SPX has broken through the last remaining downward trend line. (Connecting the 11-7 and 12-3 tops)
    The SPX will re-embed today.
    The Bollinger Bands are pointed up at a 45 degree angle and are not acting as resistance.
    The 8 day EMA continues to act as support.
    In my opinion, no downward count can be considered until there is a candlestick reversal signal and the 8 day EMA is violated in a significant way.

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    1. The red line is the 8 EMA

      http://tos.mx/sxtT3S

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    2. A key trendline, I call it the 'gappy trendline', and todsy we gapped above it. On the past 3 occasions, it's bee about the end of the rally, especially in December.

      We're 50 trading days from December 3rd, a golden jubilee number.
      Watch out the next 7 trading days.

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    3. I forgot the chart link:

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/Dkfhcxt0/

      Yes, as mentioned, big RSI divergence, QQQ/NQ not joining the party, and Vix is only barely making lows for this rally, so someone (including me) bought some vol today.

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  21. Negative divergences everywhere in RSI and MACD.

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  22. I've studying uptrends for several years and I have learned that once the IBD leaders breakout the overall trend of the market continues to rise as long as the leaders stay strong.

    The following stocks are some of the leaders I am watching: UBNT, VMW, CDNS, XLNX, CYBR, KL, MPW, NXST, PAYC, MEDP.

    IMO, these stocks have to show some institutional distribution or we will continue to go higher.

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    1. Banks, Oil, Healthcare, Biotech are all starting to break higher too. Bears will need a reversal soon or I think we can add a minimum of a few more weeks to this uptrend.

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    2. Agree. Uptrend likely to continue until leaders show some weakness or profit taking.

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    3. Look at the big tech stocks, they've been the leaders, no longer, hence the rally will fail. I've seen some pro-traders throw in the towel today, as Joe said, this wave kills(nearly) all of the bears slowly, capitulation, then it crashes and kills all the bulls very quickly.

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    4. Great Point d-w! The IBD pointed out the same thing this afternoon. I hope you are right. I'm thinking it's rotation, though, for now. The leaders from the last bull market uptrend will often not be the leaders of the next bull uptrend. Either way, I won't be buying anything at these levels.

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  23. It occurs to me (relatively new here), that the owner of this blog has lately been incorrect in his/her assessment of the EW count regarding the SPX/SPX futures. Yesterday's blog post is a clear indication. Is there now a greater possibility that the index could actually make new highs?

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  24. Question to any more experienced Ellioticians (I'm not):

    I'm looking at the SP500 index cash market, 5 minute chart: starting at yesterday's low and going into today's high, I'm counting a possible Expanding Diagonal of the 3:3:3:3:3 kind. Anyone else counting that, or am I seeing things?

    Thanks

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    1. I think we need to see more aggressive bullish counts. I'm now seeing a healthy rotation in sector movement. This is like 2016 all over again (not as many leaders, though). This is a becoming a very strong and more healthy uptrend.

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  25. Vix porn. How high will the spike be?
    In 1987 the old vix (VXO) went over 200.
    An 87 crash in 7 trading days would no doubt produce the same result.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/ggDduLi7/

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  26. Dumnonia since you announced a big drop it keeps going up so I see you're not performing and next to the scenario

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