Tuesday, April 9, 2024

Into the Real Mess

With the prior post (Get Ready for a Real Mess at this LINK) I have tried everything possible to prepare you for the current whippy market behavior. I have written before about The Fourth Wave Conundrum that this is the time when "everyone wants to know what the count is because they are likely getting whipped badly". I have also tried to teach readers about diagonal structure. So, let me preface that I do not know if the count below is correct. But I do know that the count provides a precise invalidation point. This is the chart of the ES 4-Hr futures.


The count would be of the 5-3-5-3-5 Diagonal. It is a speculative count. But the count was taken because wave (iii) is longer than wave (i) in price, and wave (iv) is longer in price and time than wave (ii). This means a wave (v) should become longer than wave (iii).

Notice than within wave (ii), wave 'a' is also an expanding diagonal. And now, in wave (iv), we may have a zigzag within a channel shown (dotted parallel). If that price pattern holds, then it is possible that the fifth wave will form properly.

But the second reason the count is taken is that it allows us to drop the previously listed "wave-counting-stop" from the prior all-time high to the new location shown. This is the only precise wave-counting-stop I see because wave (iv) is not allowed over the high of wave (ii).

The diagonal personality is that the bullish market participants are simply not convinced the game is up, and they are fighting back tooth-and-nail. Hence, the "battle at the 18-day SMA", the "line in the sand".

I cautioned against getting gung-ho on this wave. I'm sure some are listening, but not all. The whipping is brutal. But, if a minute  wave does form properly, then if a retrace holds below the high, perhaps five minute-degree waves will form to make the Minor A wave down. It could take a while, and some might not have the patience for it.

I encourage you to take this time to learn the wave principle in full detail, rather than go on YouTube and learn it incorrectly, or ask people to tell you what their counts are. You simply will not learn until you struggle yourself with counts on markets which I do not show. But, if you do, then - after a while - the light bulb might just come on.

Again, nothing says the above count will come to pass. But it's the best I can do in my struggle to understand the current market.

Have an excellent start to your evening,

TraderJoe

48 comments:

  1. Is the Japan 225 any clearer?
    https://i.postimg.cc/V6cT9xNx/2024-04-09-15-17-50-NKD1-39720-0-2-Unnamed-Brave.png

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    1. YM_F 90 min
      https://i.postimg.cc/FzbJdJ6t/2024-04-09-15-30-10-YM1-39214-0-05-Unnamed-Brave.png

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    2. Right, the difference being reduced mag-7 in both of those (none in the Japan, some in the Dow) compared to the ES. Different stocks in different indexes = slightly different counts. TJ.

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  2. CPI broke yesterday's low in 2 minutes. Let's see about the day prior.
    TJ

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    1. Prior day's low now exceeded lower.
      TJ

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    2. Looks like ES price below 5,168 needed to activate expanding diagonal count. Chart will be behind. TJ.

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    3. Here's the measurement. Cash market is not open yet. Maybe after that.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/tL4ABznC/

      TJ

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    1. i down of your c got near 5160 cash, limiting range for a iv of c up. still in iii then.

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  4. Fast and wippy market. I doubt they can save it.

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    1. The BTFD'ers are trying their hardest lol.

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    2. NDX in a corrective C up when that's finished,they will be sorry they BTFD

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  5. SPY 15-min. Lower highs and lower lows all day, perhaps in consolidation of drop. Nothing to write home about. No change to current count.

    TJ

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    1. TJ, looking at the current expanded triangle count, remind us again the rules around whether wave 3 needs to be longer in time and size relative to wave 1. Apologies if you've already covered this. Thanks

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    2. First, it's an expanded diagonal count, not triangle. And while not a 'rule', it is a guideline that wave three should also be longer in time than wave one. But - just a guideline. So, for that reason, see also BBRider's example of the contracting diagonal possibility, below. All I argued for was a 'mess' and we're getting that.

      TJ

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  6. Looks like a nice flat from yesterdays es spike lower.

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  7. What if we have the wrong diagonal.

    https://imgur.com/lhIIRNp

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    1. Also possible within limits. I've been watching that one too. TJ.

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    2. yeah b/c I'm not getting turn ("bottom") signals off this bounce ... so more whipsaw likely first

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  8. I think (1) is done & we are close to done with A of the retrace (2). FNGU below. I'd like to see a nice pullback to the 332 area next.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/scDnNiQI/

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    1. Here's $MID showing the waves down pretty clearly ...

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/iKzog6Lg/

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    2. Oops, new bull market high for FNGU (and AI). So now 340 - 345 is support.

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  9. In way of drawing a gold channel, it has reached the top which looks like a thrust out of a triangle.

    https://imgur.com/YryQIiA

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  10. Now everyone can laugh and I will be alright, I am married and use to it. :)

    Is this why this wave has been a complete pain in the ass to count.

    https://imgur.com/5D2D5W1



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    1. Hard to argue with the alternation and the ewo.

      https://imgur.com/H7X0sKh

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  11. Just for the sake of sharing & discussion, here is my running count of the decline:
    https://www.tradingview.com/x/SIrLBAz4/

    My sincere apologies if this count violates any documented EW rules or guidelines; or, appears to be a copy or duplicate of a chart which Trader Joe has already posted!

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    1. c of 3 now confirmed by new SPX lows

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    2. Updated chart:
      https://www.tradingview.com/x/K98AFJh5/

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  12. A new low under 5168 and above 5142ish would have something for everyone. You could have a expanding or contracting diagonal or a simple wxy in a corrective channel.

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    1. ...and there is concern Iran gets involved over the weekend.

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    2. Looks like a major concern.

      https://finviz.com/futures.ashx

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    3. Correct BBRider. Good analysis. But I do think the contacting version would need another wave set because this would be 'c' of (iii). That could happen. I'm just saying the expanding variety is less complicated from here. Keep up the good work.

      TJ

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    4. Welcome, not sure how many would want to be long over the weekend. I would be afraid of stops getting gapped over.

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    5. Your wish was just granted, BB 😉

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  13. Japan is in a 3rd wave. Europe and U.S. are in lock step. IMHO

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  14. What makes this market dangerous is record margin debt and the Congress has no clue. The Fed has lost control. Japan if it crashes will reek havoc in the currency markets. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong.

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  15. 5120ish is some horizontal support.

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    1. Approaching lower Bollinger Band on SPX daily chart.

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  16. ES 5,168 was exceeded lower, and a valid expanding diagonal may be said to have formed. If you thought that was mess there is likely more ahead. This is likely the minute ((i)) wave of the Minor A wave down. Nothing says it stops here and that will add to the uncertainty.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/dJdZjZHm/

    TJ

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  17. Considering some of 458african's thoughts would lead to this option. This would be the 'failed 5th', followed by the (i), (ii), and now (iii). Since it generates a clean new 'wave-counting-stop', and follows some of Neely's guidelines for tops in cash, it must be given some real credence.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/9ctsa7sp/

    TJ

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  18. ES Stopped right on the lower corrective channel line. Would imagine we go out here and have to wait for the weekend news. Have a great weekend all!

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  19. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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