Saturday, April 13, 2024

Into the Real Mess - 2

Due to overlaps, we have been suggesting that the wave down off the recent all-time high might be in the form of a diagonal in the ES futures. We showed one view of an expanding diagonal but the criticism of it (rightly so) is that the third wave would be shorter in time than the first - which runs afoul of a guideline for an expanding diagonal but not a rule. So, for the sake of following the rules and guidelines in the best spirit possible, a couple of us also suggested the contracting variety of diagonal, as below, on the ES 4-hour chart.


In this case - as the Fibonacci ruler on the left shows - wave (iii) would be less in price that wave (i). It is also less in time which follows the guideline for contracting diagonal. 

Now the question is whether there will be another whippy zigzag wave (iv) that is less in price than wave (ii). That means wave (iv) has 5,249 as a practical maximum before invalidating. Again, wave (iv) must be in the zigzag class of waves and may not be a flat for a diagonal to form properly. If wave (iv) remains valid in price, then the next question would be does it follow the contracting diagonal guideline for being shorter in time, too? If it does, then it is on to wave (v) which must be shorter in price than wave (iii) and might be shorter in time than wave (iii), too.

Again, the personality of the diagonal is that the bull forces are not convinced that the prior rally is done yet, and they are committing large amounts of capital but with the effect of not making higher highs. The swing-line trend is lower highs and lower lows, and the bias is lower as long as price remains below the 18-day SMA.

Again, the five minuet down waves (i) to (v) likely compose the minute  wave of the Minor A wave of the decline within Intermediate wave (4), if the waves finish properly.

Have an excellent rest of the weekend.

TraderJoe

31 comments:

  1. Thanks Tj. With Israel and Iran tensions looming, it may easily resolve the 4th wave to dive deep.

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ship-seized-off-uae-amid-mideast-tensions-3-fast-roping-from-helicopter-5433272#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

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  2. I can count a five down and a wxy w2 in the NQ with yesterday's decline starting another impulse down. Goldman Sachs earnings come out Monday morning and that will probably be important to the ST movement. I still think W3 or C of some degree started Friday. Thanks TJ. Btw the Russell measured target is 1900 maybe that could end a W4 decline.

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  3. Thanks for this very interesting update, TJ, along with the wave labelling. 😊

    In the possible case that we might not be in a contracting leading diagonal, I would guess that wave c of (iii) has further to fall, judging from the position of the Elliott Wave Oscillator in this chart:
    https://www.tradingview.com/x/iX6LfOGf/

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    1. Yes, that is still a messy alternate at this point. TJ.

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  4. Japan is in C of W2 this morning and the ZB_F has broke 115. Another bull trap.Imho

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    1. How about a nice chart to illustrate your points? 😉

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  5. ES 4-Hr: a potential wave (iv) has already overlapped wave (i) in the above the chart. It may have more to go on the upside. How is it others were looking for the market to tank on the Iran news, while our chart suggested the opposite?

    TJ

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  6. Nice!!!

    TJ, Do you have the paraphrasing Ira link handy?

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    1. I just went through and refreshed a few things on it (chart, spelling, terms). You may want to pick up the new version, though nothing is substantially different.

      TJ

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  7. Well this is manic market. JPM is down 12 Friday and GS is up 19 this morning. But interest rates are rising so you have a large divergence. Something has got to give.

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  8. The ZB_F is down over 2 points now. The Dow is over valued by 3,000 pts Imho. Fwiw.

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  9. Could this be a series of 1'2's to work off the AI bubble mentality? Just wondering cause this looks more like a top than a correction. SPX cash daily.
    https://i.postimg.cc/CMt7mSb6/2024-04-15-09-33-49-SPX-5119-56-0-07-Unnamed-Brave.png

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    1. Starting to look like it...what would be target area for 3rd wave down?

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  10. Here's Japan. The battle between the bulls and bears continue. Thanks TJ
    https://i.postimg.cc/JtCHBTSM/2024-04-15-09-40-54-NKD1-39110-0-54-Unnamed-Brave.png

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  11. And here's the mess maker in my opinion will this deep B retrace hold or did the UST 30 year have a failure?
    https://i.postimg.cc/Nf06qMwx/2024-04-15-09-46-27-ZB1-114-07-1-72-Unnamed-Brave.png

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  12. In the spirit of sharing and open discussion, here is a link to my updated SPX count:
    https://www.tradingview.com/x/c2ZT9LQY/

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  13. ES 4-Hr: the wave-counters can 'at least' claim the contracting diagonal has formed properly to this point for minute ⓘ. (With only ~64 candles on the chart instead of the 120, the EMA-13 is used instead of the EMA-34).

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/EBe5ZjY8/

    The contracting diagonal is good down to 5,078 at which time it would suggest either a nested i-ii or expanding diagonal in a different form. Regardless, a Minor A wave down in five minute-degree waves ⓘ - to - ⓥ is being looked for.

    TJ

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  14. Looking like A of (IV) is now the primary. If not top of "can do almost anything" (B).

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  15. ES Daily - one of the few bullish arguments would be a 38.2% retrace - just to be aware of it.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/HScN3AwK/

    TJ

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  16. Gold looks like C of a flat. Think we are close to finishing 3 of c.

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  17. ES 30-min: some of you might like to review the intraday wave-counting-screen following Ira's guidelines. There is currently nothing bullish on the chart.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/1TFBArof/

    Nothing would get bullish until 1) the high of the outside bar down is taken out, higher, and 2) price is back over the 18-per SMA. Those have not happened yet.

    TJ

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    1. IF the stochastic should become unembedded, then, there is a possibility for price to try to make the 18-per SMA. TJ.

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    2. Thanks for the excellent chart and advice, TJ!

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  18. This is how the SPX looks to me, at the close.
    https://www.tradingview.com/x/UtfdIM9R/

    In terms of momentum, the position of the Elliott Wave Oscillator now seems to confirm wave (iii).

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    1. Nope. Again, I'll show the two wave threes in tomorrow's post. TJ.

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  19. ZB_F Daily I apologize,I don't know if the count is correct. All I know is today's low better hold. Thanks TJ
    https://i.postimg.cc/13gg4LWx/2024-04-15-16-01-19-ZB1-114-18-0-25-Unnamed-Brave.png

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  20. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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