Sunday, January 12, 2025

Turn of Degree?

In general, many, or even most, non-professional traders don't like to measure. Certainly, people seem to shy away from such when commenting on this blog. Yet, one of the purposes of this site is to try to help explain how much more sense an Elliott Wave analysis makes when one takes the time to make the basic measurements. The following measurements are true in both the SPX cash index and the ES daily roll-over futures.

SPX Cash Index - Daily - Longer Down Wave

Now, looking at this chart, the Fibonacci ruler reveals that the current down wave is longer-in-price than any of the down moves labeled as P, Q, or R. The Fibonacci ruler for the R down wave is not shown because that is obvious from exceeding its low. (The letters chosen were such as not to confuse with EW labels - which they are not.)

So, if the meaning of the term degree holds, then for those looking for a fourth wave-type structure, the likely way to do that is to pair the fourth wave up with the N location. In other words, now draw a line from the top of the N wave through the all-time-high, with a parallel from the N wave bottom. The odds are likely about 90% that this is a new wave down for two reasons:

  1. If one were trying to construct the longer diagonal of sub-micro (1), with this as (2), then - as a second wave - it would be longer in price than its higher degree previous second waves. This would violate the definition of degrees. So, for that reason I think any upward diagonal already occurred as previously identified.
  2. If one were trying to suggest that the first (a), (b), (c) lower - shown in the prior post were the first minute  of a triangle, then, it, too, would be larger than the higher degree P, Q or R waves. So, the only way to pair a triangle would likely be with the N wave.
And one caution about considering a triangle at this location is that usually (most-often) the  wave of a contracting triangle is the most violent. This wave has been halting & start-stopping - just about the opposite of a violent characteristic (yet). Still, I see no objective reason that an expanding triangle couldn't develop from here. But, again, this would be paired with wave N.

So, these are some items to consider going forward even though seemingly violent and substantial retracing waves can occur at any point.

Note on the daily chart both the MACD and the signal line are below the zero line with the MACD line currently crossed lower.

Have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe

21 comments:

  1. I wait for your Sunday posts. Amazing.

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  2. Another masterpiece. Definitely a degree turn.

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  3. Today's choppy market action in the SPX is leading me to think that the market may have completed a "subminuette" degree bearish 5 wave impulse on Friday. And that the market may now be in an "expanded flat" retracement of that impulse wave:

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/SYkNdbWY/

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    1. Additional link, with retracement bracket drawn from the terminus of micro wave 5:

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/CROEFvJS/

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  4. Trying to hold a channel.

    https://imgur.com/DYZTj90

    Maybe this because of the deep retrace.

    https://imgur.com/qXRJtj6

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  5. https://www.tradingview.com/x/r9u4qFMI/

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  6. I appreciate TJ's point abt the size of waves but given that it is bouncing of the trend line, there is still a possibility of this playing out. https://www.tradingview.com/x/xicsIlXq/

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  7. Whatever the count, which I have very little confidence in any at this time, It is channeling well.

    https://imgur.com/rJZMgMq

    Now I am heading over to apply technical analysis to Fartcoin to fit in with society!

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  8. ES 30-min: from the intraday wave-counting screen. It took the market "less than" one minute to reverse wave 4 on the PPI report. Now that's impulsive (but thin volume, of course).

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/y7bt9b61/

    Not for sure that wave 5 is done. Could carry-over into the cash open.
    TJ

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  9. Jumped over ES 5900 resistance this morning. Can that area turn into support now? :)

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  10. SPY 5-min: opening gap closed; PPI candle exceeded lower. 'Possible' last chance fourth wave as a diagonal 'c', or 'leading diagonal' lower. Here is ES 5-min with a valid diagonal.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/atRunfez/

    Why did futures spend all this back & forth energy to make a diagonal? Did SPY cash have a failure? Time will tell.

    TJ

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    1. Here is SPY 5-min:

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/QMEfIR0T/

      TJ

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  11. If you look at iwm, it looks like we had a bear flag breakdown and small kickback today. We've had no panic at all yet.

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    1. On the daily ES H contract (lead month only, not roll-over) the picture looks like there was rejection of the 100-SMA, so far.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/r0DfSIbq/

      TJ

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  12. ES 30-min: an overlap warning has been triggered. That pretty much only leaves the bulls and expanding diagonal (in 3-3-3-3-3) form for an upward count. And those are supposed to be very rare. (This morning's top would be the third wave).

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/AbhwQOAA/

    TJ

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    1. also, the upward trend lines, don't really fit it very well at all. TJ.

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  13. ES 5-min, with the lower low, we just had an expanding leading diagonal convert to an impulse. With the diagonal so large, it is an x1 impulse. Wave ii was less than 38%.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/nAvOaiII/

    With an impulse down, and overlap, this suggests monitoring the overnight high to look for a wave than doesn't exceed it.

    TJ

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  14. This is my running preferred count in the SPX:

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/4mQN3WTE/

    If it is correct, I think that the market may go into a steep decline.

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  15. Only thing I can say is lol on the way market is acting...getting ready for cpi tomorrow

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