Thursday, March 14, 2024

Not Easy

I have written often about what I called "The Fourth Wave Conundrum". That is the fact that there are approximately 13 different valid Elliott Wave patterns by which fourth & fifth waves can form starting with an initial three-waves-down. So, your odds of calling such a pattern by random chance are 1:13 or roughly 7 - 8%. Those are not great odds. Last night, the ES 2-Hr futures did not go over the prior high. That made life a little worse as it didn't rule out anything. And, this morning, price went down under what I previously referred to as the "Center Line" of a potential triangle. Here is the ES 2-Hr chart showing the center-line cross.


By crossing back under the center line, there is a potentially valid triangle forming - shown in green. If it does, so be it. It might be the last pattern before a fifth wave upward. But there are two things not to like about this triangle. First, the  wave is forming nowhere near the apex of a triangle. Second, it currently looks somewhat impulsive.

Now, triangles can be elusive things and can get more complicated, so we must be calm and patient. But I also want to note that literally by the skin-of-its-teeth, the count can be the inverse of the triangle which is a diagonal down and a deep retrace shown as . Personally, I'm not married to either count. A true knowledge of the odds simply won't let me be. 

The one thing that can be said, objectively, is that a contracting triangle invalidates below the  wave.

Finally, it must be said that if prices go over the prior high again - which is certainly possible - then one cannot rule out an upwardly pointing diagonal - as the note in blue says - either. But we are not there, yet, at present. So, keep an open mind and let's see how this goes.

Have an excellent rest of the day,

TraderJoe

26 comments:

  1. When Prechter talks about "Wave Personality", he describes triangles and diagonals as wave patterns that appear when an impending trend change is being "fiercely resisted". Interesting food for thought. 😊

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    1. PPI looks like if you take out all the items that are inflating you don't have inflation. :)

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    2. Every day I recite my morning prayer to get through the day.

      "Once you realize that everybody is nucking futs, the mysteries of life disappear."

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    3. Remember Robert Rubin? Clinton's genius Treasury Secretary that decided just forget about food, fuel, and your farm and we got inflation licked! In honest numbers we got Volcker-like conditions.

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    4. ...and the hidden inflation, constantly looking in the bottom of the container for holes.

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  2. Trying to hold the channel.

    https://imgur.com/zDMqD9L

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  3. Another BTFD but of price action? Lol!

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  4. In the FWIW camp, I'm now getting lots of higher degree PROVISIONAL turn signals, at the same time as lower degree readings are reaching extremes (OB/OS), typical of what I see deep into a minor fourth wave. Hunch is a gap down open, then a reverse north again, and then the larger turn (top of large 3?) does finally materialize as we near EOM. Not EW but I do prefer having another tool kit to validate the EW. And that's my backtested read for now. Let's see if the mkt is listening or not :-)

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  5. Here is the updated ED count. I do recall the 5 of these on an ending variety can drag on a long time as it burns up the last fumes of the rally.

    https://imgur.com/QNVotLe

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    1. I do think the AI hopium gauge low fuel light is on.

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    2. Some AI cracks starting to appear perhaps, from Seeking Alpha:

      Adobe (NASDAQ:ADBE) shares were in focus on Friday after the creative software giant reported mixed fiscal first-quarter results and guidance, resulting in some of Wall Street expressing concern about the company's ability to make money from artificial intelligence in the short-term. Shares fell 11% in premarket trading.

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    3. BA also seems to be the victim of an abandonment of all quality control protocol. Not sure how many more doors will fly off in mid flight but likely more issues ahead. Big implications for DJIA.

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  6. Here is the 5th wave on the monthly gold chart. Hard to argue with, maybe and alternation argument.

    https://imgur.com/80bkzim

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  7. ES 2-Hr: here is a chart update. Price went down to tap the 18-day SMA today (pink horizontal line). This 'could' make a good (E) wave. The potential triangle is looking more proportional. Just be aware that this wave down is longer in time than the (C) / (1) wave. Today is also a 'lower low' day.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/dKYw3lrz/

    TJ

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    1. How would this fit into the larger wave, say like a 2hr or 4hr? Thank you!

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    2. I'll hazard iv and 'now?' v of C of ED(3). Might be missing a degree in there.

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  8. Along with the theme of not easy, today, who you gonna believe SPX or SPY ?? SPX made a higher low than the 11th, while SPY made a lower low than the 11th.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/nNcFbAT6/

    Gap down then grind all day. Have a good rest of the evening.
    TJ

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    1. i am not sure where u are pulling the data from on tradeview no inconsistency.. no lower low

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    2. SPY low today on tradingview and schwab 508.12 also on my chart looks a couple ticks lower than Monday.
      https://www.tradingview.com/x/lw5f9JKx/
      SPX did not confirm SPY today, out of sync short term.
      https://www.tradingview.com/x/AH4jbX73/
      Martin Armstrong's computer had this time frame as a turn in his economic confidence model down then up for a major swing in his ECM in early May?. wait and see.

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    3. @grr .. the lower low in SPY, but not SPX is confirmed by a second data vendor (Barchart.com), symbols $SPX, and SPY. Intraday hourly charts. Prior low on the 11th for SPY 508.50; today's low 508.36.

      I don't know where you are pulling your data from. TJ.

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    4. Marty's commentary (to me) is always so lacking in English language clarity that I can never extract his timing and direction at the same time. (Never mind degree!) So in contrast (perhaps), I'll say my work likes up into very late April, when we strike a major high. If we get that, Marty will then say .... look, Socrates was right again! I dunno.

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    5. from tradeview https://www.tradingview.com/x/uZphEsl3/

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    6. Many cycle analysts, including Nenner, point to the second quarter for start of a downturn. The market has long ago decoupled from economic reality and no one knows when that will end...only that it will! Have a great weekend everyone!

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    7. just looked SPY and price discrepansie could or may be due to SPY paying a dividend at the open?

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    8. @grr .. so here's a difference. When I look at the tab label for your chart window it says, "BATS: SPY Chart Image by na..."; my tab simply says, "SPY 509.83 .." with no BATS indicator. I wonder why? You might be pulling data through BATS.

      https://www.investors.com/news/bats-global-markets-technical-glitches/

      TJ.

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  9. A new post (hint: with a short 8 min original video) is started for the next day.
    TJ

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