Friday, June 26, 2020

When Not

A lot of people on the internet want to tell you what their Elliott Wave count is, or what all six of them for the same symbol are. As I noted in the comments for the previous days' posts, we have the potential to make a 1.618 wave down. Yes, you will see that in the ES 2-hr chart, below.

But, instead of focusing on the count, per se, I want to focus on how you will know that the count below is not working. 

ES Futures - 2 Hr - Possible 1.618 Wave

Notice the red dotted line that goes from Minor B to wave black minute ((ii)), or circle-ii. Wave black minute ((ii)) is a 50% pull-back. And, by itself, because it is much more than 38.2%, that retrace wave is deep enough to support a 1.618 wave downward. However, we want to look for post-pattern behavior that confirms that a 1.618 wave should unfold. 

The first evidence of that will be that wave blue minuet (ii) should stay below the red dotted line. If it does, that would mean it meets our expectations that the market is in fact weak enough to make a 1.618 wave lower. In other words, all of wave black minute ((iii)), circle-iii, is below a line from 0 - ((ii)). The 'zero point' in this case is red wave Minor B.

If this does not occur it would be a major red flag and warning that the downward count is not progressing as expected. 

Yes, everyone else on the internet will tell you what their wave count is for the next 99 years or more. I prefer to concentrate on clues that can tell you that a current count is working as expected, or it is not.

Hopefully, the reminder will be a bit more helpful to you.

Have a good start to the evening and to the weekend.
TraderJoe

32 comments:

  1. Thanks TJ, for your daily analysis and sharing. And NDX100 futures has closed below 18D moving average, for the first time since early Apr.

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  2. 1. The (C) wave or 3 wave down would occur at a sharper angle than A.
    2. Right now the angle of the decline is shallower (less speed).
    3. Watch the advance-declines, and $CPCE, and volume.
    5. See if the down leg begins to exceed 1.27 x A.
    5. Watch the news for a stimulus package, a therapeutic or a vaccine.

    TJ

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  3. Thanks TJ, its great to know why 1.618. Appreciate your free sharing of your knowledge.

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  4. Good calls TJ. Is is possible that third wave of your count may have started towarda tbe end of friday trading. Thks

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  5. TD, Been following your work from the days you called the perfect ED that led to the 2015 decline on You Tube and your "Critique Of EWave" Video, which I think should be a permanent fixture for anyone trying to trade using EW as a tool (it may be on this blog I have not looked). Your recent blogs have been fantastic. This blog a great example of that. Articulate as always and more objective then ever before. Your response to questions posted, well they have been the best since I've followed you. JonneyG, has found away to ask questions and communicate without p....ing you off. I think there are some very experienced traders who follow your blogs that have been discouraged from commenting, sharing and critiquing. I wonder if this blog would be richer with it. Don't know. As you have validly pointed out this is your blog. None of this is to be taken as blogging or Q&A advice. Patience and flexibility will reveal the intent of my comments. Just in case my comments are Fuzzy, what I'm trying to say is, great work TJ, thank you.

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    1. Hi berg .. I do my best to listen to reasonable discussion from anyone. But I do not have patience for 1) people who mis-represent my work, 2) people who don't explain their rationale, or 3) people who paste Elliott Wave labels anywhere without considering the rules. I hope this meets the need. Let me know & thanks for your comment.

      TJ

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    2. Do you or anyone else has a link to those videos? I would love to watch them.

      Thanks

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    3. Here is a link to one such video.

      http://studyofcycles.blogspot.com/2019/09/weekend-video-getting-close.html

      TJ

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    4. I agree. Traders who may not be proficient in EWT and use other technical indicators can intelligently inform the EW. TJ has repeatedly indicated that the blog is exclusively about wave counting so we have simply respect his stated wishes. I do think a lot of good info is lost though with a limited view of the data. For example, I am sure many market watchers are keenly aware of the over-head island reversal, followed by an extremely rare subset of that pattern known as an "Abandoned Baby", and making reasonably informed decisions about where we are likely headed. Just my two pence...

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    5. @tachy.. no problem with an observation of that type.

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    6. Good afternoon Trader Joe,

      I really miss those videos.
      It was a sad day for me when you took down your You Tube channel.

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  6. Question -
    Is it possible that the 1.618 measure shown is using the low of "B" of ((ii)) rather than ((i))? I cant seem to match up with 2854+ level shown.
    Thanks

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    1. ..yes, there is some uncertainty where ((i)) ends because of the 0 -2 guideline from the high. So, in drawing the Fib, I picked the max. Good observation.

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    2. Thanks. Im surprised no one else caught this. (fwiw).

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  7. Hi JG .. no I didn't yet show it. I would caution that if you are thinking of an ending diagonal like the one shown in the chart ...

    https://invst.ly/r9wmr

    ...that a minute second wave ((ii)) is already larger than the Minor B wave - which is in the same direction of 'down' - and therefore it might be a degree violation.

    TJ

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  8. I didn't write this post for nothing (I hope, lol!)

    Base Channels and Out-sized B Waves

    I'll test the link to be sure it works.
    TJ

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  9. ..not sure who you are responding to ..please clarify

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  10. 1 minute S&P 500 Futures for what would be C wave up of (ii) or circle three down. I am on the lookout for a possible ending/leading diagonal forming. The EWO is tapering down we might be in wave 5. Overlap with wave 1 and 4 has already occurred.

    imgur.com/gallery/VvTJm2r

    Watch out for a truncation of wave 5 if it happens.

    TJchuck

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  11. Well, the ES 5-min does have a nice wedge; no 1.618 extensions, and all three-wave sequences.

    https://invst.ly/raccm

    TJ

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    1. ..max wedge projection is 3,047.75; but I would take it as a "wave count warning" if 3,046 was exceeded.

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    2. ..now trading below lower wedge line ...and back-testing.

      https://invst.ly/racpk

      TJ

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  12. TJ, what do you mean "no 1.618 extensions"
    Thank you

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    1. In this first wave up, from 09:45, there are only three waves, and the third wave is 1.27 x a; likely meaning the third wave is not the extended wave, and providing more rationale for the wave only being a-b-c, up to ((1)).

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  13. ES 5-min .. now below the wave ((4)) low of the wedge.

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    1. I think that wave now has a 1.618 extension of the first wave if the second wave has a deep b wave to it.

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  14. Somewhat better over-throw imho...
    Classic "Shake The Trees" move...

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  15. A new post is started for the next day.

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