Saturday, November 8, 2025

Local Degrees and Count

Yesterday, we suggested that a short position might find "bad positioning" being initiated too low in the wave count - except for the ultra-nimble. By the close that seemed to come true. Today, using the ES futures we'll show again what we think the local degrees are, and what the wave count is. First, here is the scenario from the Minor A wave high, using the ES 8-hr futures, as shown below. The minute wave high is at the 150% level on minute .

ES Futures - 8 hr - Minor B Overall

Overall, we are trying to complete minute wave ⓒ of Minor wave B. Friday's down wave portion may have completed minuette wave (i) of that wave. There should be five sub-waves of minute , and they should be (i) through (v).

The local down count of minuette wave (i) appears to be a non-overlapping impulse, but one that is a complete mess because waves ii & iv formed in reverse order of typical with wave ii as a long-in-time complex Flat wave, and wave iv as the relatively short sharp for alternation. So, that count appears on the ES 2-hr futures chart, below.

ES Futures - 2 Hr - minuette (i)

Because it is very clear that waves v and iii are clear impulses, I assume that wave i was also and it can be counted that way. Wave v is the longest in the sequence, followed by wave iii, followed by wave i as the shortest. The waves do not channel exactly, but that's what we expect from an impulse. Further, wave  of ii was a true diagonal as its low was exceeded in less time than the diagonal took to build.

I have looked at the cases for both contracting and expanding diagonals, but they wound up not following the rules or guidelines. Wave two in a diagonal simply may not be a Flat, or the rules are broken. It 'must' be a zigzag. To me the down waves of the Flat are what I call guard bars in that they actually prevent overlap with wave i by acting as resistance against the up move. I won't break the rules, first, and the guidelines are applied secondarily.

Yes, I too initially thought we were making some kind of diagonal downward. But the market had a different idea in terms of price lengths and formations. Specifically, the up-wave portion of Friday's move is the largest up wave in the sequence thus far, and, hence, it may represent a turn of degree.

The impulse does suggest that we will eventually go below the low of the minute  wave of the overall larger expanded flat wave - and perhaps substantially so (i.e. 1.618 or 2.618 x from the minute wave).

Have an excellent rest of the weekend,

TraderJoe

9 comments:

  1. Thx TJ. Speaking of that October low, already breached by Small Caps. Have a great weekend all!

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  2. Thank you.


    For me, the 1-2 looks like too much like a triangle. 3-4 could be X. Friday ramp felt like a C up.

    We closed under the 18 ma and the vix closed above its 18 ma.

    Of course the bottom may be in here, but I have my doubts. We'll see soon enough if the 18 is taken again on Monday. Thank you again.

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    1. Welcome. But that's where the 'measurements' come in. Look at the internal ratios in the triangle. Triangles do not 'typically' have > 80% internal waves. These are 'almost' 90, on the upside, and 90% on the downside. That is one argument against your case. The second factor is the 'speed' of the move to the supposed 'd' wave of the triangle. It is 'very fast' and does not represent the typical 'time-wasting' of a triangle. It can also be counted impulsively and can represent the typical 'fast break' that occurs after diagonal completion. And further, there is a properly formed diagonal shown that can be a failure and was called in 'real time'.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/rWTaVqPz/

      TJ.

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  3. ES/SPY (CFD) 30-min: the count is getting ugly with a double-tap on the 68% retrace, below the R2 daily pivot, and now a downward overlap with a longer wave. Caution bells.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/dzy68dyA/

    TJ

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    1. Now there's a new higher high to repair the double-tap on 62%. TJ.

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  4. ES/SPY (CFD) 30-min: so far today, we have gone from initially over-bought, down to over-sold, and now back to over-bought on the intraday wave-counting-screen. There is nothing bearish until below the intraday 18-per SMA. But one might draw a line up from Friday's low to this morning's low, and monitor price reaction to that line.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/xh81T4to/

    TJ

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  5. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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