Monday, November 10, 2025

Local Degrees and Count - 2

For the ES futures today, we were expecting further up movement today both because we have counted a five-wave-down sequence on Friday, followed by one up wave, and because there appeared to be some movement on the government shutdown talks, let alone renewed called for direct government subsidies to individuals for tariff-caused inflation. Up movement did occur with a gap-and-grind scenario that left the market at the day's high in quite a strange manner. The wave in cash doesn't channel from Friday, it wedges currently.

The oddity of the wave, and the lack of retraces only suggested an alternate to the second wave up scenario and that would be the fourth wave, (iv), of a diagonal as below.


Please note that some of the terminals used to draw this potential diagonal are different than those used to draw the impulse. I need to note that this pattern has its significant drawbacks which is why it is only an alternate at this time. Some of those draw backs are the following:

  • Wave c of (i) looks like three waves, but the 4-hr bars might obscure five waves.
  • Wave (iii) is much longer in price than wave (i) when usually in a diagonal they are often very close in price.
  • Wave (iv) is a very, very deep wave already.
  • We don't know that upward price movement is over.
We show the pattern for completeness, and because the EWO was on a low on Friday's low. Hopefully, price movement will either validate it or invalidate it soon.

Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe



28 comments:

  1. Thanks TJ. That chart seems to line up better to RSI and MACD also.

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  2. 2 scenarios in gold:
    https://ibb.co/FfL3ysM
    https://ibb.co/Q3jyFH74

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    1. should give credit to Japanese EW Research Inst.

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  3. ES/SPY (CFD) 4-hr: here's more on the potential wedge as of the cash close. The lower wedge line and the high need to be watched closely.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/1WkPE1q7/

    TJ

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  4. New ATH in YM. Seems as if the other indices will as well making the wave down corrective. Remarkable and I planned to ask about that eventuality earlier but neglected to. Interesting small cap divergence on to the November low.

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    1. Here are the Dow futures. I can't swear to the count, but I can 'see it'. If the Dow makes new highs and other major market indices do not, it would be the 'typical' way that a major bear market diverges at the highs.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/oWLQXPtr/

      TJ

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  5. SPY cash 30-min: is this the classic 'c' at a shallower angle of attack than 'a' ?

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/HPDQJ90w/

    TJ

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    1. SPY 30-min: here is the gap closure and preliminary overlap warning levels.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/WYM03B0C/

      TJ

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    2. SPY 30-min: overlap L#1 has been undercut.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/3z9hp0s8/

      TJ

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    3. Upward diagonal still possible by putting wave ③ at this morning's high. But watch the downside lengths. If this wave gets longer than ②, then a contracting diagonal will invalidate. TJ.

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  6. As far as I can tell, the down wave is now 'longer than' ②, which invalidates a further contracting diagonal, and which poses a second note of caution. Measurement shown.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/nlwVb2Cm/

    TJ

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  7. SPY 5-min: cash is moving very slowly, probably waiting for vote to open gov't.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/1C7cc8ya/

    TJ

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    1. It's hard not to think there isn't someone messing with ya. I mean c'mon.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/F4E6eCB6/

      TJ

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    2. I was just wondering if someone, knowing the automatic algorithms of some funds, can force movements artificially. Last Friday I read that by dropping to a certain point of volatility at the close of the week, millions of dollars would come in on Monday buying automatically. If you look at the development of 0dte options you can see how thousands of positions appear up or down that force hedging reactions from market makers by buying or selling futures.

      All of this makes for an increasingly difficult market with more cryptic short-term patterns.

      Your recommendation for patience is more necessary every day.

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  8. TJ, can time substitute for depth in the search for the B wave?

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  9. SPY 30-min: there is now overlap on L#2.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/WBFTu8c2/

    TJ

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    1. SPY 30-min: now nearing prior gap support. It does not have to hold.

      https://www.tradingview.com/x/w2zPcUcD/

      TJ

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  10. ES/SPY (CFD) 30-min: from the intraday wave counting screen. There are now three closes below the lower band. The intraday slow stochastic is embedded. The odds of a further close outside the band drop to 2 - 5%.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/WpojlvfY/

    TJ

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    1. ..there is nothing overtly bullish on the chart, as price is below both the intraday 18-per and currently below the daily 18-day SMA. TJ.

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    2. ES 30-min: close inside the band resets the number of consecutive closes. TJ.

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  11. ES/SPY (CFD) 30-min: from the intraday wave-counting screen. Now there is 18-SMA cross 200-SMA lower (2 bars), which offered a lower low. Might act as some resistance on the way up.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/ABqf7iyG/

    TJ

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  12. SPY Cash 30-min: SPY has the gap close and a 3x wave.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/jjo7B1P8/

    TJ

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  13. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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