Saturday, February 16, 2019

Common

There is a favorite character of mine in the television series about railroading days in the wild west called "Hell on Wheels" that is played by an actor named Common. It is because so many people now think that the market "on a straight track to new highs" that I talk briefly about what is Common.

In section 2.5 of (the online edition of) The Elliott Wave Principle by Frost & Prechter, this statement appears as the very first in the guidelines for diagonal waves.

"Waves 2 and 4 each usually retrace .66 to .81 of the preceding wave."

This means that if we are making a diagonal, lower, as the start of a bear market, that it is "usual", which means it would be "common" to allow the second wave to retrace up to 81% of the first sequence downward. It is not a 'rule' but is a tendency which has been observed enough on different time scales to call it 'usual' or 'common'.

A quite typical criticism of people who chart the market using Elliott Waves is that "the count is wrong", or "the count changed", or "you said the market movement might stop here, but it didn't". But, what many such people also don't quite get is that counting any corrective wave - whether it is a minor wave 2, as I think we are now in, or a minute wave ((b)) - can be as confusing as heck. I don't say that lightly. It is the very purpose of corrective waves to confuse. Sometimes, they can start, appear to stop, and then re-accelerate to convince us of a new trend in the corrective direction - only to immediately and sharply reverse without warning proving out the now abandoned corrective count. 

Other times, after the correction ends prices can only "ooze" lower or higher at the start - making one think nothing of it - only to explode later in a volley of impulsive behavior in the direction of the expected reversal.

If you have not seen this and experienced the same, then you have not been observing the market for long. This is the case often enough for corrective waves that it must also be called "usual" or even common.

And if counting corrective waves is "usually" confusing, then why would you expect it to be anything else? Why would you expect me not to become at times incorrectly reversed, or only be correct in the short run? This is the nature of corrective waves. It's what they do. The question is why would you expect differently? I don't.

We write this today again to try to sever what some people see as the "pure link" between an Elliott Wave Count and a trade or a market action by a participant.  For example, yesterday we posted a count of potential diagonal. The count currently follows the rules of wave counting. But, is the pattern done to the upside? We don't know that definitively for certain. Diagonals can "throw over" their upper trend lines. And, diagonals are a pattern that can even "explode" upward into their alternate of 1-2-i-ii. Have we seen this before? Yes, we certainly have. Has it surprised us when it has happened? Sometimes. 

That is why one becomes familiar with Elliott Wave patterns. I'm not just talking about what the patterns are, but how they also form their alternates. This is what helps to prevent such surprises.

Now, I know what you're thinking - "hmmm, I wonder by this if TJ is hedging on his longer term count?". And the answer is a clear and unequivocal "No."

But, does this mean that action is to be taken Monday, or that it should have been taken on Friday? That choice very clearly remains up to you. 

In two articles going back more than three years I have paraphrased what one broker sees as the correct market steps to take, and when to take them. The articles are below.

A Paraphrase of Ira Epstein's Guidelines for Trading : LINK
Ira Epstein Example - Part 2 : LINK


In it, Ira - as well as a number of other trading coaches, master trader's, and market writers that I have learned from - teach that one should generally trade in the direction of the trend as given by a significant moving average. This is what is known colloquially as "putting the wind at your back" or "not fighting the trend of the market". 

Now while I do not offer any trading or investment advice - at all - ever - I can tell you what I have personally found to be valuable lessons from others.  And trading only with the trend is one of them. Sometimes not trading during FED meetings or major significant economic report - like a payroll report - or sometimes not trading while on vacation or away from home - are some others. 

So, because I do not offer trading or investment advice - you are clearly free to trade against the trend, or to trade impulsively from your phone, or to trade through a FED meeting. Go right ahead. That is up to you.  All I can tell you is very rarely will you catch me doing the same. I view it as one of the surest paths to ruin.  Again I offer no trading or investment advice, and you are solely responsible for the consequences of your decisions and actions.

But I can also tell you, that by keeping an Elliott Wave count - one that follows the rules and guidelines - it will help open your mind to possible market action. And it can sometimes provide clear invalidation points which can be used for ... ? No, not necessarily only stops, but for determining what alternate the market may be trying to construct.

Use wave counts for stops? Well. Does that mean you are trading against the trend? Why would one do that? Again, your choice. Not mine. Perhaps if you are a highly, highly skilled individual with a truly first rate level of market knowledge or available metrics, or if you are exceptionally well capitalized and understand what it is to 'probe' a trade, you might attempt such a thing. Many, perhaps most, blog readers are likely not in that category. So, be realistic. That's all I ask.

Lastly, in this discussion of what is common, or usual, I find that people who criticize Elliott Wave or it's practitioners "usually" don't have a deep appreciation of what Elliott Wave counting involves. That's OK. It takes many months, sometimes years to get even a clear overall grasp of the concept.  But beyond that there are intricacies such as "the speed of moves", or the importance of "degree" that can take even a seasoned professional many more months or years to grasp or to actually see examples of it in action in the market.

So, you can take the position, "I know everything I need to know about Elliott Wave, and this is it in the nutshell: it's hogwash!". Fine. So be it. But I can tell you - when used properly - it can be used as another great lens with which to view market action through, and to help shape your opinion. And I can also tell you what it is not. It is not a fail-safe, fool-proof manner by which to use to place trades against the trend.  And, if you think it is, or you have heard that it is, or if you are trying to use it for the same, then you probably fall in the category of people that do not have a deep appreciation for it yet.

Which will it be? Ignore it? Or try to learn something from it?
The choice is entirely yours.

Have a good weekend,
TraderJoe

55 comments:

  1. Good advice.
    What I say next is NOT offering trading advice, but just something I have noticed as a very common weakness of the vast majority of traders, and that is that they do not know how to defend a trade. Just because the market moves against you does not necessarily mean that you are wrong about the main trend. I have previously mentioned how I watch a well-known EW outfit for years repeatedly fail to recognize the pattern we all know as an expanded flat and as a result put its readers on the wrong side of the trade...they did it repeatedly! Even after it was pointed out what a common mistake it was!
    One of the reasons I like trading credit spreads during times of uncertainty is that it allows one to quickly pivot when the market does something unexpected and still remain in the trade.
    So far as defending a position, very few option traders for example, will in addition to using stops to limit loss on a position, consider turning a long position into a credit spread to ride out a counter-trend market move. I certainly understand that trading styles vary as much a individuals, but is seems to me that one needs an arsenal that goes beyond directional trades to successfully navigate the current markets. It is not often you see a counter-trend move that goes on for six straight weeks for a wave of this degree, but that is the kind of market we have. As Joe says, in addition to patience and flexibility,these days one has to expect the unexpected! :)

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  2. Joe, you need a "LIKE" button on your posts. Thanks again.

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  3. Joe, you get my vote for National Treasure.

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  6. Great post, Joe. I believe in Frost & Prechter's book they state "thre is almost ALWAYS an alternative count". Such is the nature of Elliot Wave- as you so eloquently stated above. EW is a guide- and at times can give you a great "heads up" on market behavior. I'm not sure some people don't get this, but I guess as traders, we're always looking for that "magic bullet".
    Thanks for all that you do!

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  7. Thanks TJ, I will go back and re-read this post many times.

    Fyi, equity p/c ratio 0,52 friday, even with monday closed!

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  8. Dear Trader Joe, a question. What would you think about using Epstein's Rules for Trading, applied to other time frames, to say, 15 minutes charts? Thanks for all your help.

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  9. Thanks for the excellent post and appreciate the Ira E. trading rules.

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  10. I will add to follow the trend, to strategically adjust allocation based on risk helps overall performance over the long term. That is where I believe EW and technical analysis in general helps while following the trend overall.

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  11. But we haven'y had the 1929 crash yet Tim.
    End of this week we have it. Very fast, very deep, markets will be limit down.

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  12. Excellent commentary Joe! Identifying the trend is my #1 step in trading, learned that long ago (been trading 35 yrs). Also, on Elliott Wave, I always have a preferred count AND possible alternate(s) identified.

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  13. The DJI is very close to it’s 81% guideline max for a diagonal, TJ does this apply to both contracting and expanding diagonals?

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    1. Yes, but as a guideline it is an "often" or a "usually" or a "most common", and not a rule.

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  14. Thanks for sharing it, I especially appreciated the "Ira's" posts.
    At this moment I am looking (..or waiting for, ..by trading speaking) for a "touch" of the upper Bollinger band in the S&P500 future and for the slow stochastic to go lower than 80% . Let's see. As you said, corrective waves movements are hard to predict, so ... no expectation by this blog in trading terms. Thanks again for making me a better aware "student"

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    1. I really have to smile every time I see some confident assertion that the market is going to do this or that specific thing at some specific time...most remarkable! 😊

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    2. Never going down is it Verne, the central banks won't allow it? ;)

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    3. Oh we are going down allright Watchman, we both know that. Way down!
      We just don't WHEN,,,, 😎

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    4. True, no one knows when. But so many items aligning right now, that I do think an 87-style crash happens through this weekend. Starts Thursday, just 3 trading days to wipe off all of this rally, plus a bit more (or a lot more). Two limit-down days would not be a surprise at all.

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    5. Whatever happened to your "Not one point higher??!!" Lol!
      But seriously, you are quite right that things are beyond stretched.
      But that is just the point is it not?
      They were "stretched" two weeks ago, yet here we are.
      As long as the cabal is buying, you simply have to give them more rope so to speak. I suspect they are heading for yet another round number just above. That is the way they think...! :)

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  17. If we can predict everything in life we are no different than God. Human judgements will always have fallacies

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  18. TJ, give up the bearish count. NYAD made a new ATH and I stated 3 months ago this was not a long lasting bear market. This is what happens when you solely look at wave counts. You have to combine all technicals and wave counts to come up with most probable direction which is UP in this case.

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    1. @Steve, I wonder if you will be another sucker?

      https://twitter.com/xtrends/status/1093196458474569731

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    2. He did no such thing, beg your pardon.
      Anybody thinking this uptrend channel is sustainable really ought to put their trading capital under the mattress, where it will probably be a lot safer! ☺

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    3. Verne,
      Lifted up the mattress and started tucking away this morning. Should be complete by tomorrow at the latest. Gonna be a little lumpy sleeping tonight. lol

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    4. Hey Tom.
      Reminds me of the old Mafia term "Going to the Mattresses" to describe the onset of gangland warfare...! Mine is a litte bumby these days as well. Just got out of a great RIOT trade and gong to SOH for a bit... Lol!

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    5. Verne, there is a Higher Authority in control of these markets.
      Yesterday He took ES to 2787.12. 87 as a reminder of 1987, and 12 to honour His disciples. I've been given a couple of visions of late (details are at my blog), I expect it to start overnight in Asia, tonight or tomorrow night, then finish by next Tuesday at the latest, target either 2279 or 1944 ES (1944 most likely).

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    6. I have over the years developed a healthy scepticism of predictions.
      I have done a lot of live trading with some very good traders like John Carter, Bryan Bottarelli, Dick Diamond and Ken Trester.
      It took me a awhile to get accustomed to seeing analysts who did not trader their own calls as I had never seen such a thing prior. I have to say there is absolutely no way for anybody to establish credibility in what they say unless it is demonstrated with actual trades. I mean no disrespect but if you don't tell me how you are trading your opinion, and clearly we cannot do that on this forum, I really have no way to assess the legitimacy of any one's claims. Sorry about the rant!

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  19. expanded diagonal 33333 on DJI 3 min cash?

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  20. Joe, I haven't seen this anywhere (probably a reason for that). Would you consider a triple zigzag a valid count? Are there degree violations with (a) of ((y)) and (a) of ((z)) being longer in time than X?

    http://tos.mx/mY0neF

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  21. >'This current market rally is very similar to the rally after the 1929 selloff. It lasted 155 days.'

    >'The 1929 crash is a little overstated. The markets had a fast 25% rally over the summer. Even after the crash, the markets were only down 17% for the year.'

    You appear to be arguing with yourself, I'll leave you both to it.

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  22. I don't know squat about EW but come on guys. The upward structure is CLEARLY incomplete!! Of course, as I said I don't know SQUAT!! :)

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  23. Gold had outside week up, which has been taken out higher. Gold has not had closing weeks this high in 1 year.

    I set stops on small caps, using last weeks bar low. Thank to the Mattress indicator warning.

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    1. I trust you have a plan to deal with any potential gap past your stops....? :)

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  24. https://imgur.com/a5s8Ueh
    https://imgur.com/4wkdzP1

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    1. It would be a limiting variety triangle. Width added to e would being around 26K.

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    2. if that was 3 of 3 would make and mark it as 50% of the wave, it would fit nice as the top being 26k

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    3. ugly fed bars, im done for the day. Thanks for the idea Billy!

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  25. Some interesting considerations
    https://www.ccmmarketmodel.com/short-takes/2019/2/18/this-never-happened-in-the-1974-2001-and-2008-bear-markets

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    1. Good read. Very close to my own thesis that if price remains above 2700 that is bullish,short to mid term with a 3K SPX target a likely scenario.

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  26. Look at those specialists picking off the shorts

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  27. The profound contempt the Guvmint has for its citizens is absolutely stunning. The are announcing eyeing an end to balance sheet unwind "later this year"
    Do you understand these criminals actually assume ( probably correctly) that the average person is either too stupid or too lazy to have noticed balance sheet EXPANSION the past eight weeks!

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  28. Here's my tail wagging the dog theory.

    If market participants now expect on net a rate cut this year, then the market has to take a dip. Why would the fed cut rates if market's are performing well (right?)

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  29. Yep. The illusion of the FEDs's control of interest rates will continue until the bond market starts to blow up. The way they have been sneakily bundling sub-prime loans of all sorts into SOFRs and allowing MONEY MARKET FUNDS to buy over 80% of this garbage is alone prof positive that the financial industry in the US is being run by the MAFIA!

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