Monday, December 10, 2018

Proof Positive

Market Outlook: Likely Long Term Top Identified
Market Indexes: Major U.S. Equity Indexes closed higher; RUT, DJTrans Lower
SPX Candle: Lower High, Lower Low, Higher Close - Yin-Yang Candle
FED Posture: Quantitative Tightening (QT)

By undercutting wave minute ((i)) shown on the chart below, today was proof positive that the hourly diagonal we described at this LINK was, in fact, a Leading Contracting Diagonal. The market doesn't offer such proof too many times (except say when a first wave has been invalidated by price excursion above or below it's origin, or when a fourth wave has been invalidated by overlapping on the first wave). So when the market offers it, we must accept it. 


S&P500 Cash Index - Daily - Lower Low than ((i))

The proof is simple. There was a lower low following the diagonal. The diagonal was predictive, and those that were on the "slope of hope" asking why such a diagonal couldn't be an ending diagonal C wave, instead, have had the final straw placed on the camel's back.

While there is good reason to still think the market can "slosh around in here" between the daily Bollinger Bands, we must also note that today's price action took out the minute ((e)) wave of the Minor 4 triangle - which has been holding prices up so far. That ((e)) wave was presented to you almost as it happened when it occurred back in April/May of this year. This adds further confirmation that the last wave up, shown on the chart as Minor 5 of Intermediate (5) has been seen.

A number of us do suspect that today's down wave was part of a difficult to count b:3 wave of an expanded flat. And, the turn-around that began around 11::00 EST is likely at least the first wave of a c:5 wave of this flat, upward. That's kind of why the blue line starts where it does. We'll see how that goes.

I am done for the day, but I want you specifically to do some homework. Take a weekly chart of the cash S&P500. Look at the candles in OHLC form. Do you see any gaps so far in the downward direction from this high marked 5 of (5)?

Now, scroll that chart backward into 2017, and further into 2016. Do you see any gaps now? Mmmm..hmmm.

Well, that's it for me. Have a nice start to the evening and to the week.
TraderJoe

P.S. Chart added at about 1 PM on Tuesday, based on a) gap fill, b) position of EWO.

S&P500 Cash - 15-min - Possible Ending Diagonal C wave of (ii)


Downward count was in the ES futures.

Downward Count was A-B-C

81 comments:

  1. thanks joe, first gap is monthly as well

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  2. I am a follower of Elliott principles and you are the best IMO Joe. I am with the rules, as well with the Fibonacci retracements (I am practitioner as well in my humble room). How can can I separete my mathemathicians feelings from FED's arguments ? Only looking at charts ? How ?

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  3. I don't see any gaps was that the point? Or am I just missing them?

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    1. Thanks Gerald, weird for some reason I'm not seeing it on my chart https://www.tradingview.com/x/mC4leIlQ/

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    2. scroll to 9/18/17 note the close. move 1 candle forward in time. note the low.

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  4. Man Oh man!
    I just love Elliotticians that know what they are talkin' 'bout.
    Gotta love that count that is right and tight on schedule.
    Deployed massive bull put credit spreads to catch the move up...AND then the move down. Lock and Load!

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  5. Thanks Joe for the great analysis. I am wondering if this blog is the only place you write things at (Some folks would have a site with complete analysis and needs subscription, as well as a blog )?

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    1. Welome. Yes, for now it is. In the future comments from the Unknown account are not responded to. Please log in.

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  6. Thanks Joe. In previous life, I would be struggling with which wave is the real A wave - 2816, 2800, 2708. I am looking forward to correctly counting (and infusing degree knowledge) to better triangulate than in the past.

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  7. Thanks Joe for the update. I would love to see your monthly candles with a bit of longer term perspective even if they are a moving target. I need to time my sabbatical:)

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  8. Joe this potential c:5 can also be c:3 as y? Doesn’t have to be c:5 as a flat just because spx broke 2621?
    Thanks!

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  9. Joe, trying to figure out what sign in method works here. My commentary box shows I'm already signed in under my Google profile ( Comment as: 'email' (Google) ) but it shows as unknown when published. Thanks. Stuart.

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    1. Once you have signed in, go to Blogger Config, Edit your user profile and define a nick.

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  10. In futures, C is already longer than A in the expanded flat. Is going to be 1.618 x A ?

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    1. Already asked and answered. Yes, likely.

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    2. Thanks and sorry, I did not see it yesterday.

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    3. Are you guys looking for 1.618% expansion at 2764? Or am I doing the process wrong?

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    4. In sp cash 1.618 of wave a would be ~2725.

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  11. I see three gaps in 2017.

    9-25-2017 2519
    10-2-2017 2520

    9-5-2017 2472
    9-11-2017 2474

    2-6-2017 2319
    2-13-2017 2321

    None in 2016 that I can discern. Joe, could these cluster of gaps point to where this overall first wave down might end?

    Thank you,

    Andrew

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  12. Joe, am I counting correctly in that at 10:30, enough time will have elapsed for the C wave minimum? (C would equal A with respect to time.)

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    1. Not Joe, but yes, C expended yet more time, but C=A in time is the minimum that usually takes. It could take more time.

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  13. S&P500 15-minutes, has downward overlap of yesterday afternoon's high. This suggests 1, up, and an expanded flat for 2, down. Or, possibly, a, up, and an Expanded Flat for b, down, of a first wave of diagonal 'c' wave upward.

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    1. At what level is the end of that 1 or a up ? Is possible a-b-c of 1 up to today high and then a down and now starting b?
      Thanks.

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    2. Thanks Elliott Trader. In your quest to educate, it would be great to see a graphic that accompanies your words of wisdom above. That would be a little less misleading to some folks.

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    3. Chart added. Updated based on position of EWO.

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  14. Chart added at about 1 PM today, with possibility for ending contracting diagonal C wave of (ii). This is based on gap fill and position of EWO.

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    1. Thank you ! Nice, that is what I was counting as 1 up.

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    2. Thanks Joe, Doesn't a ending diagonal have to be sub divided into three waves? I am having trouble seeing three waves unless we are in a intraday flat lower?

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    3. Yes, Robert. Ending diagonal to be five zigzag sequences three-wave. The chart above shows a,b,c to a ((1)) wave. The alternate would be, a to yesterday's high, a flat b wave. But, right now I am basing the count off of the EWO.

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    4. Ah okay makes sense, perfect thank you.

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    5. I thought the EWO was a lagging indicator and best not used in real time wave assessment as per a previous comment. What am I missing?

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  15. Joe just testing my sign in to verify I'm not unknown. Please ignore. Thanks for your assistance.

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  16. I can't count the internals but could 2 have been a running flat and now in 3 down?

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    1. That is exactly what I was thinking.

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    2. Tops 'usually', 'most often' (not always) occur on divergences with the EWO. The fact that there 'isn't' one - a divergence - on that last peak is a completely objective observation and measurement that anyone can make and agree upon.

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  17. joe
    EWO can also tell story that last high was wave 2 top
    its subjective

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    1. im sorry i forgot - thanks joe
      and thanks for real time input

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    2. Tops 'usually', 'most often' (not always) occur on divergences with the EWO. The fact that there 'isn't' one - a divergence - on that last peak is a completely objective observation and measurement that anyone can make and agree upon.

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  18. Since the B or X at yesterday's low was quite deep, I would think a running correction that ended at the top of the corrective channel this morning is a high possibility.

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  19. At 2,635 S&P500 cash, there would likely be a downward degree violation.

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    1. There is 2,635, now. The longest upward wave in the downward sequence is now THIS one. One way or another, the degree is turning.

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    2. That means it is too big to be 1 of a of (3) ?

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  20. As usual your objective wave counts show themselves eerily clear. Have to admit your counting is the best I've ever seen Thanks

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    1. Welcome and thanks for saying, ski.

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    2. Indeed ET, it would be fascinating to see your internal count relating to the decline we saw in the morning.

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    3. On a one time basis, I have added the downward chart. It takes too much of my time during the trading day to constantly be posting.

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  21. Just take a look at AAPL. It's providing a big clue to the impending market direction.

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  22. Excellent charts greatly appreciated. Joe how do you know which time frame to use for EWO? I understand when checking for an impulse whatever time frame has 120-160 bars is the time frame but, for example you are using a 15 minute chart saying their was no EWO divergence. Did you use 15 minute specifically because of EWO and if so why? Or did you just chose 15 minute.

    Take your time responding I know you have been busy today. Thank you.

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    1. 15 minutes expected to give 120 - 140 candles by time wave is complete from a-to-b-to-c of (ii). It really helps to use 120 - 140 candles for the 'wave of interest', whether flat, triangle or impulse.

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    2. Okay that makes sense so you are using 15 minute because from the start of the flat on 12/6 you are expecting the whole flat to play out in 120-160 rather than a single wave. Okay thank you!

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  23. joe
    we now have what can be counted as a triangle
    hourly chart
    0 is 11/23
    a move is upwards

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    1. I see that Marc I believe you could even make the case of a running triangle starting on December 6th to right now.

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    2. oh, really? don't you need a zigzag up for the last wave of a triangle? What happens if this current up wave is even just c = a?

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    3. yes that is true was just about to respond with that also we are likely not in a wave B or 4 where triangles occur. Good point.

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    4. And, the EWO does 'not' have a contracting triangle signature. There is a hump in the middle - today's wave.

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  24. You can clearly see the effect of AAPL on the market - let's see if it can take out that green dashed trendline (has helped quite a lot) "Potential" bullish slanting inverted head & shoulders pattern
    See image with link
    https://imgur.com/a/74KPWb4

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  25. wow....never thought that 1 stock will have such an effect on the market. That trendline on AAPL is working beautifully. Market back to red
    https://imgur.com/a/yK3gngL

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  26. the down wave went lower than the high of the first leg. Can't be an impulse. But diagonal possible and a 3 wave correction possible with an impulse down to follow

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  27. Talking about trendlines and back testing - this is pretty sweet $DJIA
    https://imgur.com/a/o7keDH6

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  28. Top of SPX wave at 2,660 cash can be 'a', up; down wave can still be 'b'. A wave that is 'c' = 'a' from here would exceed the prior high.

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    1. If momentum feels 'lousy' .. that's what it's like in diagonals, and their cousins - triangles.

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