As best I can tell at the moment, a retrace of wave iii in the ES 1-hr futures would be very shallow and most of it would have occurred during holiday trading hours. So, a deeper fourth wave might be allowed to form until or unless there is downward overlap.
The overlap level in the futures is shown. Since in this configuration wave i is the longest wave, or the extended wave in the sequence, then wave v should remain shorter than wave iii.
Have an excellent rest of the evening,
TraderJoe
Right. The CME Group would like you to forget about this little item. One or more of their data centers went down with no 'back-up' or 'fail-over' response for hours as this chart of the ES futures (SPY/CFD) 5-min time frame shows.
“Due to a cooling issue at CyrusOne data centers, our markets are currently halted,” CME Group said in a statement posted on X. The company said it was working to fix the issue in the near-term.
Dallas-based CyrusOne operates more than 55 data centers in the U.S., Europe and Japan.
A host of commodities and agricultural goods contracts appeared to be disrupted by the outage. Futures prices for equity indices, including the S&P 500 and Nasdaq 100, also appeared to be impacted.
The outage contributed to already slow trading volumes across the globe following the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday on Thursday.
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Didn't they learn anything from the NYSE's fail-over response after the 9/11 attacks (putting additional data centers in New Jersey, etc.)? Prechter said in the internet age, issues like this would increasingly disrupt markets. And this one seems pretty tame. From what I can see, they are back up and running. What might we expect next?
TJ
After contacting the lower daily Bollinger Band and making a new lower low - without having the slow stochastic embed - prices headed higher as might be expected from a retracing wave. In the process, price today closed above the 18-day SMA again, and the swing line has turned to up. So, there is now a lower low and a higher high with a close over 'the line in the sand'.
The retrace, so far is 62%, The prior green (up) fractal has been exceeded higher, but there is nothing to say that upward price movement has ended. The daily slow stochastic is headed higher and is not over-bought yet.
The best suggestion is to follow the local intraday technical analysis and be cautious in the very high volatility waves, using small positions. Of course, another option is to sit on the sidelines for the holidays.
There are several ways to interpret the current wave count, but they depend on whether or not a new all- time high is made. For example, one could place Minor B at the low, or (c) of minute ((iv)) of the Minor A wave still. But another way to interpret the low is a lower degree ((w)) wave, with a new minor ((x)) wave high possible in a larger compound flat, still for the Minor B wave. It's a truly messy wave situation. There may be other answers to the puzzle, as well. And it's another good reason to just use the local technicals until the situation clears up a bit.
Have a good rest of the evening,
TraderJoe
If you've ever been down south in the US (deep down south like the Bayou), you may have seen or heard the expression Gator Bites and Boudin Balls. If you haven't, here's a LINK to what it means. Well, with apologies to the phrase, this week the gator took a bite. I'm, of course, referring to Master Trader Bill Williams indicator called the Alligator. As you can see from the daily ES futures chart, below, the Gator rolled over and closed its mouth, taking a bite on prices.
In the process, note that three down (red) fractals have been exceeded lower fully beneath the alligator indicator. We're glad to have caught an instance of this for you, especially prior to a holiday. Why? It is because many people tend to have opinions about the holidays. Some of these run like, "if the bears have Thanksgiving, then the bulls will have Christmas dinner", etc. Or like, "the period leading up to a holiday is bullish, then a sell-off after the holiday".
Yet Bill Williams was a great proponent of having no opinions on the market and thought it was best to just "want what the market wanted". He was especially fond of avoiding the news. Granted Bill was very well capitalized, had deep pockets, and other market strategies, but if having no opinions was good enough for him, why isn't it good enough for the rest? After all, who knows when the politicians will deliver some surprising refrain like "tariff rebates", or "reduced tariffs", or whatever the latest fad is.
An 'opinion' might cause you to miss a gap down on Sunday-to-Monday. Or it might cloud your judgement to the effect that, yes, we did have a correction Friday which was more than adequate for Thursday's decline, but complex corrections are possible. No, clear the head, let the market try to tell you what is coming next.
And so, there comes a time to try just to monitor local technical analysis and see if the gator fractal breaks just recorded will amount to anything. One of the things I like about this methodology is that is says there is nothing bullish on the chart until price exceeds a fractal above the gator. As you can tell, this marries very well with Ira's strategy of there being nothing bullish on the chart until price has closed above the 18-day SMA again.
Another thing to like about this method is that it does not require wave labels - even though these can be useful. So, for example, are we in a Minor B wave, or a minute ((iv))th wave of Minor A still? There can be good arguments for either.
So anyway, unless you're having Boudin Balls for the Thanksgiving Dinner, don't let the Alligator bite your Turkey. I, for one, will be taking some time off, and updates will be a bit less frequent.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
Today was a reversal day, lower, in the ES futures after the NVidia earnings came out and trading began in the cash markets this morning. Price initially traded higher, sketching out an expanding diagonal which we showed in the comments for the prior post. When the diagonal was complete, slightly beyond the 1.618 extension we cited, then price reversed lower hard and fast.
The Principle of Equivalence requires that I show two plausible and valid scenarios for this wave as in the two-block below of the ES 12-hr futures.
The first count is the expanded diagonal count which is valid in every sense since wave v is longer than wave iii and wave iv is longer than wave ii. If it wants to it can still break lower to 1.618 the length of wave iii. It is not there yet. It does not need to do this, but it might.
The second count is the nested (i), (ii), i, ii count which is valid because ii is less than (ii), and because i is less than (i), allowing degree labeling definitions to hold.
Today closed the gap in the ES futures contract from Fri 10 October. It took quite a while, but this target, target #3 was met. Each of the first three targets (lower Bollinger Band, 100-day SMA, and gap close) were somewhat higher probability targets. The fourth target, target #4, is the 200-day SMA. It has a slightly lower probability of being met, until the current Head & Shoulders on the daily chart breaks down. But, if it does it would be in reach of ⓒ = 2.618 x ⓐ subtracted from ⓑ in the Expanded Flat that we sketched out before.
And this might complete the Minor B wave if that occurs.
Any bounces from here should respect the 18-day SMA since price failed there today. And as the note on the chart shows, either count is free to just break lower if it wishes. Of course, there can be some backing and filling, especially after what we think is a five-wave diagonal we counted this afternoon. It may be a 5-3-5-3-5 diagonal, but some overnight waves need to be looked at.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
U.S. equity prices, as measured by the daily ES futures contract, headed lower overnight and continued lower into the open until about 11 AM. At that point, as the chart below shows, the 100-day moving average was tagged, slightly below the 6,600 level, meeting our Target #2 price. And then there was a bounce.
As of the cash close, the bounce occurred in three-waves, missing a five-wave-move by fractions, and then price headed lower breaking the lower trend line of an upward parallel, and then price again closed below the lower daily Bollinger Band.
Price has not closed the daily futures gap yet (as Target #3), but it could. The market is still quite bouncy in the sense that there is a lot buying on the way down. We suggested whippy action, and we appear to be getting it.
With two closes below the lower daily Bollinger Band, the odds drop to about 4 - 6% that the next close will be below the band (not impossible, but lower odds). The greatest number of consecutive closes below the band as reported by broker Ira Epstein, is typically seven - and a grinding lower scenario like that cannot be dismissed out of hand.
The hourly SPY can still be drawn in a downward parallel, and readers of this blog are encouraged to perform that exercise. As long as it is in a parallel, it suggests downward continuation.
Tomorrow is NVidia earnings after the close.
Can the bulls rescue the current downtrend? Well, at the moment, the wave down today from 13:30 to the close is longer in price and time than the wave down from 11:40 to 12:35. And the up wave from 12:35 to 13:30 is longer than the prior one this morning. This suggests the primary up path would be by a low probability expanding diagonal. However, keep an eye out if price gets below 6,614 either in the overnight or tomorrow as such a diagonal would invalidate below there. If it busts it would not surprise me in the least. Again, no amount of downside selling would truly be unexpected at this point.
The daily slow stochastic is in over-sold territory, and that bears watching. If price has "latched on" to the lower band, it may force the stochastic to embed. But we are a way from there at this time. So, a word of caution is worth its weight at this time.
Have an excellent rest of the evening,
TraderJoe
Today's ES daily candle made a slightly higher high before the open, then traded down in seeming expanding diagonal (or expanding triple-ZZ) fashion to make a new lower daily low coming within three points of the Nov 7 low.
This price action keeps the daily bias to the downside. As of the cash close, the close is below the lower daily Bollinger Band, and this happens roughly only 5% of the time. The daily slow stochastic is also now in over-sold territory, and this is not a condition that generally attracts new short money. In fact, some of the Smart Money may be covering some of their short positions here.
So, this could still be a situation where conditions are ripe for whippy trade. The next two targets, should the market decide to trade lower, are the 100-day SMA (green dashed line) and the prior gap close (purple dashed line).
With today being an outside day down, the outside day guidelines apply: "if the market takes out the high of an outside day down within the next two trading sessions, then it can be a trap for the bears." Otherwise, the bar could indicate continuation lower.
IF the market takes out the Friday Nov 7 low tomorrow, then it will have done it with more speed (that is, more impulsivity) than the prior down leg. And a daily expanded flat as a Minor B wave can still result. But there is no certainty that this will happen as of this time. We can get a lower degree flat, up, wave to form first, or a larger daily triangle can still be in the works.
Have an excellent rest of the evening,
TraderJoe
The first target we cited last week of the lower daily Bollinger Band was hit and exceeded somewhat as seen in the ES daily futures chart, below.
After hitting the target and the band, price staged a turn-around to close nearly unchanged or slightly positive. The daily slow stochastic is not over-sold. Price did still close below the 18-day SMA so the daily bias is lower as of this time. We additionally note that the speed of the three-day decline was (sic) obviously faster than the speed of the seven-day decline into the prior Friday's low.
This means - if it comes to it - that this prior Friday's low and the wave leading to it can be a sub-wave of a further decline. Now the question is will any upturn respect the recent Wednesday high, and will it take less time? Currently, the wave count can still be seen as the Expanded Flat in progress. Alternatively, even if a minor new low is made below this recent Friday, a triangle might still be in the works.
Either way, whippy trading can be expected. And we know what that means (flexibility, patience, small size, etc.) until further information is available.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
Yesterday, we counted only three-waves-up to a lower high in the cash market. This suggests a leg of a triangle or diagonal. After some initial price moves higher for the futures last night on the re-opening of the U.S. Government, prices subsequently headed lower, and down through the 18-day SMA. The daily chart of the ES futures is below.
The close of today's bar will likely be in the lower fourth of the bar - which represents weakness. During the session a prior cash gap up was closed. Still, by the end of the day we could only count another three-waves-down. So, a lower low would likely be needed in the next two days in order to claim an impulse formed lower.
IF prices continue lower, then the lower daily Bollinger Band is still a target, and, if that is significantly exceeded lower, then the 100-day SMA would be the next target.
With today's three-waves-down, there is a low probability of a triangle to this point since all the legs since the high on 09 Oct can be counted as three-wave sequences. But the look and the measurements are not the best for a triangle. Still, if that's what happens, we'll accept it. Otherwise, we continue to count downward.
For now, the daily bias is still down, and that should be respected until and price closes over the daily 'line in the sand'. Intraday, the market has not even yet closed up over the 18-period SMA on the half-hour chart.
So, this could be whippy action requiring patience and small positions (if any) until the market makes a few more local decisions.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
For the ES futures today, we were expecting further up movement today both because we have counted a five-wave-down sequence on Friday, followed by one up wave, and because there appeared to be some movement on the government shutdown talks, let alone renewed called for direct government subsidies to individuals for tariff-caused inflation. Up movement did occur with a gap-and-grind scenario that left the market at the day's high in quite a strange manner. The wave in cash doesn't channel from Friday, it wedges currently.
The oddity of the wave, and the lack of retraces only suggested an alternate to the second wave up scenario and that would be the fourth wave, (iv), of a diagonal as below.
Yesterday, we suggested that a short position might find "bad positioning" being initiated too low in the wave count - except for the ultra-nimble. By the close that seemed to come true. Today, using the ES futures we'll show again what we think the local degrees are, and what the wave count is. First, here is the scenario from the Minor A wave high, using the ES 8-hr futures, as shown below. The minute ⓑ wave high is at the 150% level on minute ⓐ.
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| ES Futures - 8 hr - Minor B Overall |
Overall, we are trying to complete minute wave ⓒ of Minor wave B. Friday's down wave portion may have completed minuette wave (i) of that wave. There should be five sub-waves of minute ⓒ, and they should be (i) through (v).
The local down count of minuette wave (i) appears to be a non-overlapping impulse, but one that is a complete mess because waves ii & iv formed in reverse order of typical with wave ii as a long-in-time complex Flat wave, and wave iv as the relatively short sharp for alternation. So, that count appears on the ES 2-hr futures chart, below.
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| ES Futures - 2 Hr - minuette (i) |
Because it is very clear that waves v and iii are clear impulses, I assume that wave i was also and it can be counted that way. Wave v is the longest in the sequence, followed by wave iii, followed by wave i as the shortest. The waves do not channel exactly, but that's what we expect from an impulse. Further, wave Ⓒ of ii was a true diagonal as its low was exceeded in less time than the diagonal took to build.
I have looked at the cases for both contracting and expanding diagonals, but they wound up not following the rules or guidelines. Wave two in a diagonal simply may not be a Flat, or the rules are broken. It 'must' be a zigzag. To me the down waves of the Flat are what I call guard bars in that they actually prevent overlap with wave i by acting as resistance against the up move. I won't break the rules, first, and the guidelines are applied secondarily.
Yes, I too initially thought we were making some kind of diagonal downward. But the market had a different idea in terms of price lengths and formations. Specifically, the up-wave portion of Friday's move is the largest up wave in the sequence thus far, and, hence, it may represent a turn of degree.
The impulse does suggest that we will eventually go below the low of the minute ⓐ wave of the overall larger expanded flat wave - and perhaps substantially so (i.e. 1.618 or 2.618 x from the minute ⓑ wave).
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
With today's lower low the swing line indicator continued lower. Further, the daily bias flipped to down, and this establishes a down trending wave as per the ES daily chart below.
The big news of the day is that members of the Senate are scheduled to have lunch tomorrow. Fancy that! Maybe on full stomachs they will vote to re-open the government. In the dearth of other economic news, one might want to mind one's stops especially closely, as whipsaws might occur in the "we're gonna open; ooops, oh no we're not" scenario or vice-versa.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
The interesting features of today's daily ES futures chart are shown below. As most know in the after-hours last night a number of tech stocks were affected by earnings news. That contributed to a gap down in the cash markets. For the futures, it resulted in a lower low day, as below.
The lower low day turned the swing line lower and made a pattern of a lower low and lower high. The problem is that this pattern is still neutral as the pattern is over the 18-day moving average of closes. The bias is up until it isn't. But as we suggested one of the two futures gaps did close today.
Further, price got very near to that 18-day average, and almost tagged it, as the embedded status of the slow stochastic was lost today. The only day it can be gotten back (without rebuilding the whole three-day sequence) is tomorrow.
Another observation of this market one can make is that the New York Composite Index (NYA) did not make a higher high in mid-to-late October as did the indexes that include the Mag-7 stocks, as below.
This is a very telling intermarket divergence that should be respected until or unless it can be shown to be broken. This index has the classic look of a B wave that rises to 90 - 100% and has since headed lower.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
On the ES futures daily chart, today was an inside day, holding closely to the center of day. As such, and with the higher close, it can temporarily change the swing line indicator to up again. Price is still above the 18-day SMA, so the bias remains up, and the daily slow stochastic is still embedded.
We also note that neither of the two downside futures gaps have closed yet. We'll be watching closely to see if and/or when those gaps might close. For the moment, a higher high remains possible, and a (b) wave up can complete whether there is a new high or not. The eventual expectation is that the futures gaps will close, as gaps in the futures typically close faster than those in the cash market.
It seems somewhat odd that the market did not have a more robust upside response on the major news of deals with China and/or the FED feeding the reverse repo market - especially given today's position of the first trading day of the month. Even if a new high is made, are these signs of a tired market? We shall see.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
Regular readers of this site simply know by now that we have been counting out a contracting ending diagonal for the Dow and the SPX for months and months. That Elliott Wave count comprised of three-wave sequences is shown on the 2-weekly chart of the Dow futures in log scale format below in blue. Because I have gone over it time and again, I won't spend much time on the count details. Readers should review it.
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| Dow Futures (YM) - 2 Wk - Diagonal Count |
Here's a short Elliott Wave video, by a person who also disagreed with Prechter at the tail end of last year, too.
Are there only two of us? Regardless, The Principle of Equivalence says that a trend change hasn't occurred until new highs are no longer made. And Ira's work suggests there is no trend change until there is a lower low and lower high under the 18-day SMA. As of this writing, there was a new higher high at 23:00 in the overnight futures session. Further, there is progress on China tariffs & there are earnings for AMZN and AAPL after the close tonight.
One thing I will add is the equity-only put-call ratio for yesterday ($CPCE on stockcharts.com) was 0.44 which is back well into the Zone of Speculation and lower than the Sep-Oct lows, but not lower than the May lows.
So, patience, calm and flexibility remain the order of the day, and local technical indications will have to provide short-term guidance.
Have an excellent rest of the day.
TJ
In the last post (seen at this LINK), the option of an expanding triangle option was explored. And it is a viable option. Still, there are some contraindications of a triangle that should be talked about. The first and foremost of these is that we don't know that upward movement is over. A certain amount of upward movement could still fit within the range of the expanding triangle, but if it goes too far up, then the expanded flat - or even a further upward wave - should be considered. The second consideration is the time of the Ⓒ wave down. It is quite short in time and looks very sharp compared even to the Ⓐ wave down. So, it might just be the initiation wave of the expanded flat, the (a) wave, with the Minor A wave location moved forward to the location shown in the SPY/ES (CFD) 4-hr chart shown below.
If so, then the current up wave can be counted as w,x,y as part or all of the upward (b) wave of the expanded flat. The time scale shows that the y wave is 2x the time of the current w wave, upward, and the EWO/AO shows it is currently on a 4-hr divergence which is not yet confirmed by red bars.
One implication of the expanded flat is that it could travel significantly lower than just the Ⓔ wave of the expanding triangle. The (c) wave of an expanded flat could travel 1.618 x (a) or even 2.618 x (a) without batting an eyelash. Meanwhile. the Ⓔ wave of the expanding triangle is limited to 1.5 x by rule.
But, even more than that, the expanded flat can start a more complicated series of waves - such as a double-three (double Flat), or a Flat-X-Zigzag to waste more time or create more downward movement if it wants.
So, bottom line, we don't know upward movement is over. Price is still over the 18-day SMA. And IFF downward movement should begin earnest, we should keep two things in mind at the same time. Those are the expanding triangle, and the expanded flat, with its potential extensions.
This is all part of The Principle of Equivalence I have developed which requires some disqualifying information to rule out certain wave segments before proposing that one wave count is more certain, or has better odds, than other.
Until we learn more perspective, patience, calm and flexibility are still the order of the day.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
In the prior post I sketched in some tentative trend lines, labeled them as such, and said they could likely be modified. Part of the reason I did that for the pattern people is to show some of the silliness of trying to call waves in either The Fourth Wave Conundrum, or the (very similar) B wave position. Mostly all of those who have read up on their Elliott Wave know that triangles mostly occur in 4th, B or X wave positions, see more below the chart. So here are the modified trend lines the market suggested today on the SPY 4-hr chart, below.
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| SPY Cash - 4 Hr - Possible Expanding Triangle |
Still in the category of thinking out loud, this pattern is one of the rarest triangles, it is the expanding form of the triangle. I have suggested it because The Elliott Wave Principle suggests that the legs (by rule) should not be more than 150% extensions. So far, they are not in the cash SPY market.
But the pattern is still a suggestion. If price proceeds too far, it may be the Expanded Flat we are dealing with or perhaps a last impulse.
This may seem a little "loosey-goosey" but recall that I did suggest a contracting triangle was not likely because of the 90% legs. Those just aren't common in contracting triangles. Still, the bottom line is that price is above the 18-day SMA, and it is until it isn't. So, it has been saying the bias is up, and it has been.
Further, with today's action there just isn't a downside trend established yet - even though prices can pull back at any moment.
Two of the key observations Neely has made about expanding triangles - if this is one - are that 1) they are very rarely in the fourth wave position. He has never seen one there. OK. This one would be in the B wave position, adhering to that observation, and 2) the up wave after a corrective expanding triangle can, and often does, fail.
So, let's see how it goes. It's Friday. Fridays often - not always - end on a high note that carries over into Monday and then follow with a Tuesday reversal. It's just a pattern. It may play out or not this time. But many here felt the whippy action is reminiscent of a triangle. Yet we couldn't find the proper way to count such. This may explain the feeling. It may not. Regardless, the whippy and gappy action is downright silly, and often does reflect what happens in a true triangle. So, don't be discouraged. Reversals may come, have come, and though it doesn't seem like it on certain days, they can be sharp. So, use the regular technical-analysis until the count comes along that makes sense. Keep this one in one back-pocket, and the expanded flat in another back pocket.
Stay calm, patient and flexible. And have a good start to the evening and the weekend.
TraderJoe
P.S. The other places triangles show up in an Elliott Wave count is in the Y wave position of W-X-Y and in the Z wave position in a W-X-Y-X-Z, if the triangles are not in the any of the X waves.
Sort-of as promised, the algo's are having their way with this wave as U.S. equity prices, as measured by the daily ES E-mini futures failed to make a new high today and, in fact, headed back to the 18-day SMA, often the neutral point on the chart, to figure out what to do next. The daily chart is below. Note that intraday, the highs of each of the possible upward first waves were overlapped downward today. Also observe the daily slow stochastic is only in over-bought territory and is not embedded.
The new blue trend lines are tentative only and I think they will be adjusted later. There 'might' be a triangle in the making but with lower odds. Why? See the chart below which is the 4-hr chart.
Notice that twice in the last two days, price bumped up against the 90% level. And, while possible, it is not common for triangles to do. So, a triangle bucks the odds a bit even though the trading is whippy as all get-out.
Rather the better odds at the moment are for a Flat wave if prices keep heading lower. For now let's see what prices do at the 18-day SMA. If they close below it again, it would likely tilt the daily bias to down. Then we'll go from there.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
The likely next parallel in GOLD is shown below on the daily chart. The prior (KCT-style) channel was shown on the 4-hour timeframe.
Given the position of the EWO, one should probably give room for another Flat, or a possible triangle so the EWO has time to come back down towards the zero line.
Have an excellent start to the day.
TraderJoe
I was examining some alternative counts, and I ran into this anomaly or oddity. The Neely 0 - ii guideline has been able to be used for nearly all prior waves. It certainly even works in the initial wave sequence in this series. So, I thought I'd check in what might be the continuing Minor A wave as an alternate to the Minor B wave down. Clearly, one can see that the guideline is broken. And it would break at several of the lower troughs on the close-only chart. So, something is odd.
We appear to be in a fourth wave or B based on the Awesome Oscillator (AO or EWO). I'm going to be noodling this situation a bit. Again. Something seems odd. Ideas are welcome.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend.
TraderJoe
Tentative steps were made today to close the gap we wrote about in the prior post on the ES daily chart, below. Today made a lower high and a lower low as shown.
Also of interest, there have now been four consecutive closes below the 18-day SMA, and the daily bias is said to have shifted to downward.
Markets have a funny way of getting to their Bollinger Band or moving average targets, particularly in an environment like this where a news story or a bad key earnings report or a worried hedge fund manager gets the heebie-geebies and decides to unload can quickly and significantly affect the price level, and the algos keep trying to pull things back to make it look like nothing actually happened.
So, in the above chart is there a way to be in a triangle? I think so, but a triangle is atypical with a gap at the low (not impossible, just atypical - or lower odds).
Are there ways that the market could get back down to the lower daily Bollinger Band, to close the gap, and or get down to to the 100-day moving average of closes? I think so, because large gaps in the futures typically fill a bit faster than those in cash, and it is very common for prices to find the lower daily band or their key moving averages.
We'll try to count it internally as best as possible, but we still need some key levels to break to have an understandable count. And, keep in mind, failures can occur. We're pretty sure we caught one this morning, and there may be more to come. They are a sign that the opposite movement wants to happen with some dispatch and length.
That said, you don't need me to tell you that when you put in an order than you think has momentum behind it, the algos go haywire - like you violated a commandment or something - and instantly yank on it back & forth until it almost drives you crazy. And the only way I know to even try to mitigate that is to watch positioning. Trying to initiate late in a move can have serious adverse consequences. We're likely all feeling that as the market seems to be making three-wave Elliott Wave structures. It might continue to do that until certain Smart Money players (and their algo-bots) are more convinced there really is a down trend under way.
That's why Ira invented the swing line indicator - to help determine if there is a real trend over or under the 18-day SMA.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
The ES daily chart has a bit of a problem - a hitch - in it which is pretty glaring. That is, on a non-rollover day the chart has the large gap up in it that is shown, below, around the 6,552 level. The gap was a 'news gap' and, again, not one just from the futures roll-over.
ES prices today initially headed higher, stopped underneath the prior high in the six-bar congestion area, made a lower low than the open (not a new daily low) and then rebounded to find comfort at the 18-day moving-average-of-closes. It is very whippy, as is wont in the middle of the Bollinger Bands, and the algos have the control.
Is it likely the gap will fill? Yes, unless the news cycle keeps being manipulated with the sheer nonsense of the tariffs, the shutdown, etc.
As best we can tell, the up wave currently counts as w-x-y, where the y wave is shorter than the w wave. So, it might be a (b) wave, up, in itself. But we can't confirm yet that the up wave is truly over. Still, one would expect some resistance from the 18-day SMA, and that seems to be happening, so far.
So, we have to take it day-by-day counting as best we can. It is possible that some news item or other (earnings, etc.) might spark a (c) wave or more downward, but, right now the count is still sloppy until lower lows are made. There are still ways new highs could be made, like if the w-x-y turns into w-x-y-x-z and forms a diagonal. But that is speculation, as well. All we know is that at the present the local upward count is not an impulse one.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
SPY cash prices on the 15-minute chart, below, gapped higher (once again) after all the weekend hype including the scary videos. We have written, "if you want a third wave down, even if it's a 'c' wave, you have to be willing to enjoy a second wave up before that." After the gap up, prices traveled sideways - in the process taking more time in the lateral wave than the prior five-waves-down.
Tentative three-touch trend lines can be drawn today but they are just that - tentative. Yes, that could also be a triangle inside that wedge, but it remains to be seen. Usually, if a triangle should not hold up, then its three-wave internal structure allows an expanding diagonal down to form, instead.
It will be interesting to see if a recognizable pattern completes tomorrow. Today should be viewed as an inside day, and a possible consolidation day for a further down move until that is disproved.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
Here is the long-term picture from 2009 as best as can pieced together from degree labeling. The span since 2009 is now 16 years, and during that time much inflation has occurred, Therefore, the chart is log format, and the channel is a log channel. The SPX (S&P500 Cash) Index is used to reduce any influence of time-decay from the futures. The chart shows the Cycle, Primary and Intermediate degree waves.
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| S&P500 Cash Index - Monthly - Log Channel Count |
The next chart focuses more on the medium term. It is the two-weekly chart of the ES E-mini futures since the 2020 low.
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| ES Futures - Two Weekly - Log Diagonal Count |
The above chart shows the Primary, Intermediate and Minor Sized waves in this advance. As best we can tell, while the whole sequence can follow The Eight-Fold-Path Method for a diagonal, the internal sequences are grinding three-wave corrective waves. The third wave, (3), is longest in linear scale, but not in log format. It is longest in time. The fourth wave, (4), is shorter than wave (2) in time and in log length. It misses overlap with wave (1) by less than 1%. The Elliott Wave Principle by Frost & Prechter says the fourth wave in a diagonal 'almost always' overlaps the first wave. It does not say 'always'. It does overlap in the Dow and the Russell. It does not in the S&P500; it misses by much less than 1%. Given the exceptional influence of seven stocks in this market, that is likely acceptable. And a fourth wave signal was received on the EWO.
And the Minor B wave? Well, first it may not travel - even by a tick - below the low of wave Intermediate (4). Next, technically it can be "any three" including a zigzag, a multiple zigzag, a Flat, an expanded Flat - and go over the high again - or be a triangle. And within the triangle category, it could be a symmetric contracting triangle, a barrier triangle, a running triangle or an expanding triangle. In the last three cases of triangles, higher highs could occur.
If instead there is fast and rapid movement below the low of wave Intermediate (4), we would have to conclude that Intermediate (5), red alternate, finished at the high we just experienced. But there is no evidence of that yet. Yet, most Elliott analysts know, the B wave could be any measurement (more typically 38 - 78%), but even less than that, or more than that.
And if Minor wave B turned out to be a triangle, it could stretch the wave sequence potentially well into next year. We'll have to see. A triangle is often likely in the next-to-last position before a wave termination.
For the smaller picture, we noted that the SPY made a higher high on Friday while the ES futures did not. Although we initially surmised that this could have meant we made a larger diagonal downward in the ES (as in prior comments), when we consider the SPY's higher high, it could also mean we had this diagonal failure in the vth wave of (v).
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| ES Futures - 4 Hr - Diagonal Failure |
The lengths of waves ii and iv are acceptable for it, and the down move very characteristic after the end of a true diagonal. The start of the diagonal (iv) would have been exceeded in less time than the diagonal took to form. Further, there is one green pip above the zero line on the EWO associated with v, so it may indeed be a fifth wave. Further, the EMA-34 on this time scale fits for form and balance.
So, now we have to see how the Minor B wave evolves. Once again, nothing to the downside will surprise me. The downside is covered. The task ahead is to see if a B wave holds up; if something like a nasty 'take-your-money' triangle forms, or if we should get zigzags lower for the wave.
The bottom line is it remains risky for trades to the upside (very!). And yet we know there will be retrace waves, and waves that will form an eventual pattern. It's just that most Elliott trading references advise one to steer clear of B waves because of the number of forms they can take. What you do, of course, is up to you. I'm just summarizing what the literature that I've read suggests - not offering trading or investment advice.
And the reason for showing this smaller term picture is to show that ending diagonals can fail. So can the C wave of the (5) wave of Primary ⑤. That is important to note, and we will also address it later.
This is the second post this weekend, and if you have not read the first one yet, you might like too.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
Pens will be flying. YouTube and other videos will say you were warned. CNBC will say it's not even a 5% correction, and "who cares if there's a 10% correction" (heard recently). Meanwhile, we just counted waves and suggested it was an extended first wave count. The first chart of the S&P500 Cash Index, below, shows that count. From our measurements in the futures today, one day, today, took out all of the trading from the prior month!
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| S&P500 Cash Index - Daily Close - Back to EMA-34 |
And the Fibonacci retrace ruler shows it's not even a 23.6% retrace on the up wave-set from April, yet.
We certainly did warn appropriately: that the downside risks were high, that sentiment was highly bullish, that put-call-ratios were speculative, that rare Elliott Wave patterns were showing up right & left. All of that. And so here we are.
In our experience the extremely small retrace nature of the internal waves & the lack of pullbacks after the April lows suggested to us that the wave personality is that of an "A" wave. And we think the Minor B wave is underway.
Now in the second chart is an open-high-low-close format version of the ES daily futures. I post this chart for one specific reason.
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| ES Futures - Daily - KCT Failure |
I like Jeffery Kennedy personally. He seems like a sincere analyst. But I need to point out the first part of this wave sequence in April. If you were relying on the KCT (Kennedy Channeling Technique) to deliver the third wave breakout above the channel, it clearly did not happen in this case. Of course, we have stated that is more likely when the third wave is the extended wave. Because it didn't happen this time is why we think the first wave was the extended wave in this sequence. Those extended first waves just grind and turn to the right rather than turning to the left as the extended third waves do. His information should point out the circumstances where it is most likely to work, and where it is least likely to work. In that regard we agree with Neely that "the analyst needs to know which wave is the extended wave in the sequence".
Personally, I think this wave shows the folly of letting machines set the pricing of securities. They grind and grind and grind on every tick for six months, based on the original tariff news story. And then they have a day like today with little let-up in selling all day long, based on another tariff news story. Yes, there will be rebounds, but people work or put stop orders in, and they might not be able to assess things until after the close or they might have elsewhere lost a bunch otherwise. Meanwhile, machines assessed the story nanoseconds after it came out, and the rest is history.
With apologies to the restaurateur of a similar name, the number of tricks being played in these markets are a real treat. Several treats. Treat after treat after treat ...
Overnight, it looked like the ES futures were making a grinding set of waves in zigzags upward. They did, but I did not get the count exactly right. It took one of our loyal blog readers, Roy C., to consider that cash SPY could possibly only be making a fourth wave signature in the hourly EWO. Good call, Roy! So, that leaves this count in the intraday ES 30-minute futures.
There's an overlapping leading diagonal for a first wave, a fairly brief second wave lower, a big third wave, and then all of, or just part of, a non-overlapping fourth wave lower. At this time price has already made a new high above 6,807. It might turn out to be a 'b' wave of a flat or just extend to be the fifth wave. Either way, the count sure looks and feels like a five-wave-count.
Then, there's the tricks in GOLD. After invalidating an ending diagonal overnight at the 4,035 level, GOLD used that diagonal too to add third fourth and fifth wave up to the 6 AM morning high. Since the morning, there was this overlapping pattern traced out on the 10-minute chart.
So far, it can look and count like a running triangle. The drop at 15:00 was a fairly dramatic $25 in less than five minutes from which there has been another recovery attempt. We'll see if it holds. If it does, then the widest width of the triangle added to the breakout is another target. If it doesn't hold, then we could be making a diagonal downward, but that just doesn't count at all well internally. And, while a running triangle can point towards the ends of a wave, it is still supposedly bullish because of the higher b wave, as shown.
Apologies, but things like truncations, triangles and diagonals are supposed to be more rare in Elliott land in terms of frequency. Yet, here at market highs, the arbs, quants, hedge funds and other Smart Money are throwing them out right & left.
We're doing our best. We wish you the best. Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
Yesterday, we pointed out that the daily slow stochastic on the ES futures had its third day of re-embedding. Ira Epstein (broker with the Linn Group, LLC.) who noted this characteristic also noted that the 'second' time embedding happens in-a-row it is often - not always - a sign of a weakened market; one that is wobbling. The ES daily price chart is below. Price has still closed above the 18-day SMA, and so the daily bias is still positive.
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| ES Futures - Daily - Outside Key-Reversal Bar |
However, today's bar can be a "key reversal" bar taking out the high and low of the previous two bars after the highest high in the trend count (i.e. today). And, depending on where it closes, it might also come to be considered a double-close key reversal, closing below two of the prior closes.
Today was a 'turn-around Tuesday' which is interesting of itself. There is a way to consider a top in place, but more downside is needed. Today's bar just is not that long yet although it does overlap with the bars of 22 & 23 Sep. So, patience will rule. Loss of the embedded slow stochastic might be one factor to wait to observe, and a close below that line-in-the-sand might be another.
With price having hit the upper daily Bollinger Band again, it might be a place where the Smart Money is at least lightening up on some positions.
If we have finished the Minor A wave up, remember I am primarily looking for a Minor B wave down.
Have an excellent start to the evening,
TraderJoe
