Here is the long-term picture from 2009 as best as can pieced together from degree labeling. The span since 2009 is now 16 years, and during that time much inflation has occurred, Therefore, the chart is log format, and the channel is a log channel. The SPX (S&P500 Cash) Index is used to reduce any influence of time-decay from the futures. The chart shows the Cycle, Primary and Intermediate degree waves.
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S&P500 Cash Index - Monthly - Log Channel Count |
The next chart focuses more on the medium term. It is the two-weekly chart of the ES E-mini futures since the 2020 low.
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ES Futures - Two Weekly - Log Diagonal Count |
The above chart shows the Primary, Intermediate and Minor Sized waves in this advance. As best we can tell, while the whole sequence can follow The Eight-Fold-Path Method for a diagonal, the internal sequences are grinding three-wave corrective waves. The third wave, (3), is longest in linear scale, but not in log format. It is longest in time. The fourth wave, (4), is shorter than wave (2) in time and in log length. It misses overlap with wave (1) by less than 1%. The Elliott Wave Principle by Frost & Prechter says the fourth wave in a diagonal 'almost always' overlaps the first wave. It does not say 'always'. It does overlap in the Dow and the Russell. It does not in the S&P500; it misses by much less than 1%. Given the exceptional influence of seven stocks in this market, that is likely acceptable. And a fourth wave signal was received on the EWO.
And the Minor B wave? Well, first it may not travel - even by a tick - below the low of wave Intermediate (4). Next, technically it can be "any three" including a zigzag, a multiple zigzag, a Flat, an expanded Flat - and go over the high again - or be a triangle. And within the triangle category, it could be a symmetric contracting triangle, a barrier triangle, a running triangle or an expanding triangle. In the last three cases of triangles, higher highs could occur.
If instead there is fast and rapid movement below the low of wave Intermediate (4), we would have to conclude that Intermediate (5), red alternate, finished at the high we just experienced. But there is no evidence of that yet. Yet, most Elliott analysts know, the B wave could be any measurement (more typically 38 - 78%), but even less than that, or more than that.
And if Minor wave B turned out to be a triangle, it could stretch the wave sequence potentially well into next year. We'll have to see. A triangle is often likely in the next-to-last position before a wave termination.
For the smaller picture, we noted that the SPY made a higher high on Friday while the ES futures did not. Although we initially surmised that this could have meant we made a larger diagonal downward in the ES (as in prior comments), when we consider the SPY's higher high, it could also mean we had this diagonal failure in the vth wave of (v).
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ES Futures - 4 Hr - Diagonal Failure |
The lengths of waves ii and iv are acceptable for it, and the down move very characteristic after the end of a true diagonal. The start of the diagonal (iv) would have been exceeded in less time than the diagonal took to form. Further, there is one green pip above the zero line on the EWO associated with v, so it may indeed be a fifth wave. Further, the EMA-34 on this time scale fits for form and balance.
So, now we have to see how the Minor B wave evolves. Once again, nothing to the downside will surprise me. The downside is covered. The task ahead is to see if a B wave holds up; if something like a nasty 'take-your-money' triangle forms, or if we should get zigzags lower for the wave.
The bottom line is it remains risky for trades to the upside (very!). And yet we know there will be retrace waves, and waves that will form an eventual pattern. It's just that most Elliott trading references advise one to steer clear of B waves because of the number of forms they can take. What you do, of course, is up to you. I'm just summarizing what the literature that I've read suggests - not offering trading or investment advice.
And the reason for showing this smaller term picture is to show that ending diagonals can fail. So can the C wave of the (5) wave of Primary ⑤. That is important to note, and we will also address it later.
This is the second post this weekend, and if you have not read the first one yet, you might like too.
Have an excellent rest of the weekend,
TraderJoe
One thing is certain. If we have indeed completed an ED at intermediate degree, any current ambiguity will be short-lived, if you get my drift... Thx for the bird's eye view T.J.
ReplyDeleteI'm trying not to get too bearish even with 'wide-eyed' recognition of what the downside targets could be. If the FOMC lowers rates a few times in a poor economy, it could provide the 'herky-jerky' pattern needed for a B wave. And, if there's a new high, they might think 'they've solved it again'. TJ.
DeleteI agree what happens with rates will be the deciding factor, as cut(s) already priced in. Some very smart folk are saying the FED is in for a nasty surprise in that regard and Trump seems determined to endure that is the case!
DeleteHere is a potential channel I shared here a few weeks ago. So far holding up.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.tradingview.com/x/FLTBBjYG/
yes, but so? what meaning do you attach to it; or why are you pointing it out?
DeleteTJ
I was just talking about the channel from trading perspective but if we do approach lower channel eventually and bounce from there then this all could point to 12345 as an alternate to ed.
DeleteI see. Thx. TJ
DeleteThanks for the overview update, TJ.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome and give it a go at some wave counting yourself. TJ.
DeleteI am working on AI-assisted models of SPY and QQQ. Hope to have something interesting by year-end. I'm using IBM's TTM and Google's TimesFM time-series model frameworks. It will be interesting to see if the models pick up on some of the Elliott Wave "rules". However, they will likely be more useful for short term forecasting than for big picture analysis.
DeleteThanks Tj. Very very nice charts and too good of a write up along with explanations which cease (my) viewers future questions?
ReplyDelete"And the reason for showing this smaller term picture is to show that ending diagonals can fail. So can the C wave of the (5) wave of Primary ⑤. That is important to note, and we will also address it later."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beGU0T_PeUc
Just a preceptive on 10 companies holding 25% of global cap which is not sustainable.
On flip side between 15-20% of US govt tax revenues come from capital gains. Any sustained fall in U.S asset markets will threaten the total tax collections. Having markets rise year after year is of national security importance to US otherwise fiscal deficit will blow out further. So US govt is more worried about markets falling. They have already replenished the TGA to $800b from $300 in last 2.5 months. ( Failed "C" here :))
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WTREGEN
Friday's move down was suspiciously fast for the start of an impulse. Rsi on the vix showing hidden bear difference and price is at strong resistance. Spx at the BB and strong support near 6500. My guess is we just completed (or will complete) a C wave with one more move up to squeeze out all the new bears who decided on Friday "this is it".
ReplyDeleteDivergence, not difference - apologies
DeleteNice. Smart people are always mindful of the ways they could get fooled. The rest are blowhards.
DeleteWhile I disagree with the premise (if I may be allowed), I agree with the conclusion. The chart below shows the down wave in comparison to the first significant up wave.
Deletehttps://www.tradingview.com/x/fW5lRBya/
Why is the down wave "too large" for an impulse, but the "up wave" is just fine and dandy when it is twice as large? So, that's why I disagree with the premise of the observation.
But The Principle of Equivalence on the daily chart says, "if we're incorrect about a B wave, down, then maybe a fourth wave will form in the 129 daily bars and drop to a 23% or 38% level - as is typical of a fourth wave in The Eight-Fold-Path Method."
The methodology allows for it. I follow the method. I do find it interesting that Master Trader Bill Williams 'never' taught to refer to any indicators other than the Alligator (or Balance Line), the EWO, and Accelerator Oscillator. So, I 'try' not to complicate my market view with derivatives of price - as the VIX is. That said, the observation is the daily VIX has not made new lows as the daily SPX has made new highs.
Still, I agree completely with the second sentiment expressed, particularly at this time, and have always urged calm, patience and 'flexibility' at these lofty prices. And, as I have demonstrated, always point out invalidations and overlap levels.
TJ
Suspicious only if you believe market price is driven by retail traders (herd). If you ever has any doubt about who/what is trading these markets, you just saw what in my humble opinion was a leveraged unwind. Does any one really buy that herd sentiment shifts that precipitously and with such violence, based on a tweet??!! I was expecting the shutdown to be the well telegraphed signal but boy was I wrong!! 😊
DeleteTacky, please give us the exact passage where EWT gives a shit who's doing the trading.
DeleteI would think the probability of a deep B and failure C is elevated here.
ReplyDeleteSee above @ 12:54 pm. TJ.
DeleteES/SPY (CFD) 15-min: here's a chart of the overnight open.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.tradingview.com/x/wAcPHtQZ/
TJ
Reminder that the 18-day SMA is at about 6,723 tonight in the ES fwiw. Different than above. TJ.
DeleteThe "P" raljy, P is for phony.
ReplyDeleteWon't help those who suffered forced liquidation of their positions as happened across many of the centralized crypto currency exchanges. Traders extended the usual margin call courtesy I expect will be leaving Dodge with great haste. The Pavlovian BTF Dippers got soundly spanked on Friday. The highly leveraged ones are likely done.
DeleteAfter hours SPY: 61.8% Retrace.
ReplyDeleteYep. Red October.
DeleteTacky, I've got a boat named "Obvious...maybe" Wanna Captain it for me?
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