Friday, April 4, 2025

Brutal Counting

Today we counted down a likely third wave with two, not one, expanding diagonals at different degrees of trend. The wave counting is brutal. The intraday trading subsequently difficult. There can be no question that our diagonal target was met. And it raises the point that this monthly count may still be on the table for the S&P and the NDX. The ES futures are shown here to be representative.


We have shown the skeletons of this count many times. It is the diagonal count to a Primary th wave that would end Cycle V. Now, finally, on the downside, there is something to work with. Wave (3) is just barely longer than wave (1) in price, and it is clearly longer in time.

We made a notation on the chart regarding possible potential alternation in wave (4). Interested readers should view it. Please keep in mind that I have sketched out an idealized wave (4). Like all fourth waves they can get much crazier than this. Sometimes in a diagonal, wave A comes very down near the trend line before the bounce. Sometimes there is a triangle in the middle of the fourth wave to slow things down and cause traders to lose money fast. Sometimes the Minor B wave bounce is 90% or very nearly there to confuse people with a flat.

But first things first. Overlap on 4,808.25 would first be expected. Then, after overlap, wave (4) must hold above wave (2) to avoid invalidation. Often the fourth wave takes more time than the second wave. So, that's the way we've shown it. And it often retraces 62 - 82% of wave (3) in price. So, the Fibonacci ruler is shown as a guide.

Careful readers might note that the Minor A wave of Intermediate (3) is shown as an expanding diagonal itself. This is what is known as a fractal of the larger pattern if it should play out as shown. It is the only way I can count the wave to observe degree labeling requirements.

Keep in mind this is a monthly bar chart. So, this pattern can take a very long time to come to fruition. To novice technicians it might look like it is forming a large head & shoulders pattern which then fails to play out. 

And if it does invalidate? Place a Primary  and Cycle V at the high of 2022, a Primary at the bottom of October 2022, and a Primary at the high in 2025, and Primary and cycle a at the low near 2,000 (price) to match the low of Primary . We just think the market should have the option of ending a very long wave with a diagonal, and the above count is it, for now.

Have an excellent start to the weekend.

TraderJoe

35 comments:

  1. If the above count is correct, it puts us in a primary degree correction.of a huge diagonal. I assume it would have to be a ZZ so was curious about the flat comment. I suppose you just meant the intermediate B leg of the ZZ would "look" like a flat underway?

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    1. The Minor B wave of the Intermediate wave (4) zigzag might look like a flat, or might be a triangle, or any other legal 'three'. TJ.

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  2. I guess I thought sub-waves of diagonals had to be ZZs

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    1. A, B, C lower to (4) 'is' a zigzag. But the B wave can be 'any three'. TJ.

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    2. Aha...flat reference was to middle b not entire 4! Got it.

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    3. Right on. It's less confusing if can use the same symbols. Thx. TJ.

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  3. Thank you TJ (and other contributors) for your continuous guidance: it helps all of us to reduce losses during weeks like the one we had.
    Again I refer to your Nov. 2023 post where you said: "Perhaps the 5000 level will be touched". Great job! Again, put that in your book!

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  4. ES daily - Suggested local count.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/abng9I1Q/

    TJ

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    1. Yep! Same as mine. VIX saying 3 not yet done.

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    2. Same here as well, maybe finally a decent impulse.

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    3. I expect a feverish effort to arrest it. Would not be entirely surprised by a fifth wave truncation. Nonetheless the violence of the move down looks like the real deal.

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  5. This is my attempt at wave 3, (4) could be fairly sharp or a sharp a of a triangle.

    https://imgur.com/FsayVXt

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  6. Those over-head gaps are a real gift. Prior to the inception of C or 3 down, you just know they gonna slam 'em shut. Lol!

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  7. UVXY already took out Friday high in after hours. End of 3 should see a hard reversal with lower high after 5 down completes.

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  8. ES Daily - looks like one has to go to the daily chart to pick up the Fib ratios. Today's down bar started at the 1.272 extension and is not yet at the 1.618 extension. Can go lower if it wants.

    https://www.tradingview.com/x/YoEqA62D/

    TJ

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  9. NQ futures are down from high on point and percent basis more than covid drop and taken more time. [ disclaimer using adjusted futures prices to account for rolls: broken a trendline thats long term]

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    1. I ran an experiment this weekend with 'adjusted' futures prices and it provided exactly the wrong conclusions. Too lengthy to go into here, but you'll find the Oct 2022 to 2025 up wave, 'not as long' if you use 'adjusted' ES prices. Whereas we already 'know' S&P500 made a longer cash up wave. Major recommendation: do not use 'any' adjusted futures prices. Take the roll, 'unadjusted'. TJ.

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  10. What are the thoughts on this evenings gap? It seems possible that it is the point of recognition given the position of the EWO. I am using a 12hr chart with around 70 candles on it as the 50% marker.

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    1. Could signal capitulation. If so should be closed during tomorrow's session. Futures gaps are rare.

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    2. It feels like exhaustion to me but that EWO at the low concerns me.

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  11. The low today in futures was B or triangle breakout?

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  12. Extended 5th wave gold count.

    https://imgur.com/yNWQfDj

    See you in the morning.

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  13. ES 30 min with around 110 candles has a 4th wave EWO look.

    https://imgur.com/M3HCdLy

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  14. What is going on. ES 4835 to 5246 and ES mini-june-4832 to 5286 and reversed again.

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    1. Yep! Rumour that tariffs suspended for 90 days. Lol!

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  16. Should be some nasty moves to offset the flats above.

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  17. Looking like a 4th wave triangle unfolding.

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    1. There might be a expanding diagonal in futures from low or xyz

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  18. Could be messy for the week.

    https://imgur.com/mPN9YCD

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  19. multiple 5min 1% moves.... that translates to 65 vol....

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  20. A new post is started for the next day.
    TJ

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